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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Is this the right place? OFSTED chief inspector "sad if girls can't be proud of being girls"

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scaredsadandstuck · 21/06/2021 20:33

Not sure if this has been posted already, but a good summary of Woman's Hour today:

BBC News - I want girls to be proud of being girls, says Ofsted chief inspector
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-57557181

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picklemewalnuts · 21/06/2021 20:51

Good for Ms Speilman. That said, I can see that feisty young women may not want the 'girl' part of the title.

Thecatonthemat · 22/06/2021 00:43

Woman’s Hour has had several very interesting items lately and appear to have been reading MN and Emma has helpfully made the connections between the themes discussed on here. Something has definitely changed for the better I think, despite the ongoing imbalance of listener comments skewed to the men.this interview was particularly revealing and relevant

scaredsadandstuck · 22/06/2021 09:40

@picklemewalnuts

Good for Ms Speilman. That said, I can see that feisty young women may not want the 'girl' part of the title.
Ha - well yes there is that!
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borntobequiet · 22/06/2021 09:46

I’m a bit fed up with having to be proud of everything. I’m a sixty something woman, I’m not proud of it or otherwise, it’s a fact.

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/06/2021 09:51

Agreed borntobequiet It's exhausting isn't it. BUT - now that Ofsted have binned Stonewall, at least Amanda Spielman has permission to use the word girl. Small wins....

KleineDracheKokosnuss · 22/06/2021 10:11

But I don’t want her to be proud of being a girl. That’s not an achievement. I want her to be proud of working hard and succeeding after failures.

crunchermuncher · 22/06/2021 10:36

@KleineDracheKokosnuss

But I don’t want her to be proud of being a girl. That’s not an achievement. I want her to be proud of working hard and succeeding after failures.
True, but I think the point is that young women are currently bombarded with stereotypical nonsense about what they can wear, do, be etc. This translates thinking being a girl is a bit rubbish, hence wanting to be non binary, etc, because the media's idea of 'being a girl has become so narrow.
scaredsadandstuck · 22/06/2021 12:17

I think being proud of being female is fine. Why not? Men are (often too) proud to be male aren't they? Even if something just is, you can still be proud of it.

In a world where women are girls are constantly encouraged to feel ashamed, I guess I see it as the opposite of that. Refusing to feel ashamed of what you are, not apologising for it, not feeling you have to deny or be embarrassed of what you are. Not feeling that you must consent to the eradication of a factual reference to your sex.

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