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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

For today’s feminist writers, sex makes a comeback

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WarOnWoman · 21/06/2021 18:37

Washington Post article about sex positivity.

www.google.co.uk/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/entertainment/books/for-todays-feminist-writers-sex-makes-a-comeback/2021/06/16/04c506b4-cea1-11eb-a7f1-52b8870bef7c_story.html%3foutputType=amp

I'm not sure about the time travel bit but I was interested in reading the rest. I'm not a 100% decided on this issue yet. If it's consensual, what does it matter what anyone else says, right? Yet, it's making me uncomfortable. Where is this need to celebrate kink coming from? Why are the books framing sadomasochism as a positive feminist issue? How much has porn watched these days and social media influenced these women? And where are the books saying "You like vanilla sex and that's okay"? These are some of the questions I have in my mind.

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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 21/06/2021 18:43

Cynically I think women were always pretty positive about good sex.

Sex positivity seems to be about persuading women that they should enjoy being spat on and strangled. It's about being positive about things done to you by your male partner, not about being positive about enthusiastic mutually satisfying sex.

MrsWooster · 21/06/2021 18:47

@ItsAllGoingToBeFine

Cynically I think women were always pretty positive about good sex.

Sex positivity seems to be about persuading women that they should enjoy being spat on and strangled. It's about being positive about things done to you by your male partner, not about being positive about enthusiastic mutually satisfying sex.

Absolutely this.
Mummyoflittledragon · 21/06/2021 19:00

More than one reference to ‘kink’. Then there’s ‘heterosexual and queer’ and lastly ‘inclusive’ . All very inclusive of eroding women’s boundaries, I’m sure…

BlueBrush · 21/06/2021 19:18

Shame is a very interesting emotion. It's a horrible thing to feel, but it is part of what regulates social behaviour. If you discourage shaming in relation to sex, you're in effect removing some taboos and limits. The notion of consent is all very well, but if you have sexual fantasies about people being frightened and in pain, then I think you at least need a long talk with yourself.

OccasionallyFlagging · 21/06/2021 19:20

It seemed a bit of a mish-mash without a clear theme or line of argument, as if her editor had said, "Just write something about sex."

What's their reason for describing groups like Berkeley Collective as “wimmin’s” groups ?

WarOnWoman · 21/06/2021 19:51

@BlueBrush

Shame is a very interesting emotion. It's a horrible thing to feel, but it is part of what regulates social behaviour. If you discourage shaming in relation to sex, you're in effect removing some taboos and limits. The notion of consent is all very well, but if you have sexual fantasies about people being frightened and in pain, then I think you at least need a long talk with yourself.
Agreed.

That sort of sexual fantasy is straight out of porn videos. I mean they have always existed but that it has been normalised by porn.

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