bizarre definition of woman

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I've followed the GC debate quietly here for years, but this is the first time I've seen the other side actually provide a definition, and it is pretty bizarre & insulting.

So here is the tweet, from @graceelavery, somewhere further down this thread

twitter.com/graceelavery/status/1405661319903289344

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well, i think it’s like your definition of “firefighter”—quite circular, as it goes, because it is a messy, socialized term. a woman is a person who is, or has been, presumed to adopt a passive role in sexual intercourse and a reproductive role in economic life. it’s not perfect
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@WeeBisom

What I find weird about this definition is it doesn’t even encompass grace. Grace doesn’t have children, has not reproduced, and works as a lecturer and writer. So doesn’t engage in reproductive labour so isn’t a woman!

I have to give grace credit for actually coming up with a definition but god it’s a bit sad and sexist and reductive isn’t it? Women are just good for passive sex and making babies. Didn’t Derrida and the post structuralist caution against dangerous and unhelpful binaries like passive/active , reproductive/paid labour ?

I suspect the other part of the definition may be what appeals to Grace.

@maslinpan

I am curious about how one could adopt a "reproductive role in economic life". Is this like a biological version of quantitative easing, whereby you give birth to money?

Finally I understand why pound coins keep dropping out of my vagina!

Well that’s massively fucking offensive.

Oh, so she made George Eliot a trans man then? Presumably on the basis that she wrote about serious politic-y things that us ordinary passive woman couldn’t possibly understand?

I read a while ago but can't find it now that in a certain country anal sex between men gave a harsher punishment to the penetrated man then the one penetrating. On the basis that the man being penetrated was taking the 'female' role and so was a worse crime.

To see this homophobic misogynist viewpoint asserted by someone who presumably thinks they're progressive, and they clearly haven't even realised, or don't care, is terrible.

Auto who now? I'm sure I don't know what you're talking about😉

I dread to think how grace defines girls. Presumably in a similar way.

The idea that's women's role is to be passive in sex and have babies also has a very rapey vibe to it.

Women are there to get fucked and give birth. An attitude that leads to a horrific life for girls and women every day all over the world.

And that being fucked by men and having babies is the sum of what we are.

I would like to think this person is trolling but they aren't are they.

@NiceGerbil

The idea that's women's role is to be passive in sex and have babies also has a very rapey vibe to it.

Women are there to get fucked and give birth. An attitude that leads to a horrific life for girls and women every day all over the world.

Naturally. It’s the fantasy born from the subset of men who want to be women as part of a humiliation fetish. That’s how they see us.

@Clymene

For anyone who hasn't come across Lavery before, there is a long thread on an agricultural website which is quite enlightening

I just read the thread on that agricultural website.

Dear God.

@Siblingquandary

So do two lesbians who fancy eachother just lie there waiting for the other one to make the first move?

🤣

@Helleofabore

If people cannot see the misogyny in this movement, it has to be because they are deliberately glossing over this stuff.

And Lavery was an academic at Berkeley. One whose role was questioned as to their ability to set relevant assessment for their courses.

This is supposed to be a prominent activist yet comes out with misogynistic trope regularly.

When people tell you who they are, believe them alright.

Keep talking Grace Laverty. Sunlight is a wonderful thing.

Is, not was. Berkeley tweeted out something related to Lavery this week.

So do two lesbians who fancy eachother just lie there waiting for the other one to make the first move?

I always wondered how, if a penis-haver can now be a lesbian woman, why did their partner not get pregnant. Now it all makes sense.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

I thought they’d resigned because the uni said their assessments were not rigorous enough.

My mistake.

Finally I understand why pound coins keep dropping out of my vagina!

@Helleofabore

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g

I thought they’d resigned because the uni said their assessments were not rigorous enough.

My mistake.

I think that was Rachel McKinnon (aka the cyclepath).

Yes, that was Veronica Ivy, previously known as Rachel McKinnon. Hard to keep up with the assorted band of academic activists.

Oh. Yes. That is right. Sorry everyone.

Cycle path gave their philosophy first year philosophy students only multiple choice questions. Not Lavery. Thanks for the reminder.

Lavery did intimate that there was more to George Eliot’s pseudonym than just aiming to get published.

And I saw a recent pic of lavery that looked nothing at all like their saucily posed usual profile shot.

Why did I guess it was Grace before I read the thread? 🙄 Sometimes I think Grace plays up to things. That’s clearly an idiotic definition.

I’m so sick of this gender crap. Why don’t they move on to some of the other Protected Characteristics apart from Sex, and write patronising, offensive descriptions for those?

It's vile.

@NiceGerbil

The idea that's women's role is to be passive in sex and have babies also has a very rapey vibe to it.

Women are there to get fucked and give birth. An attitude that leads to a horrific life for girls and women every day all over the world.

I thought it sounded rapey too. Disgusting.

The idea that's women's role is to be passive in sex and have babies also has a very rapey vibe to it.

Women are there to get fucked

I refer the honourable lady to the reply I gave about AGP some moments ago.

Oh. I've had kids but I'm not always passive in bed. Does that mean I'm sometimes I'm a man and sometimes a woman.

Do these people not think before they tweet? Putting out concepts that have more holes in them than a fucking colander?

What I find infuriating is that if a female academic put out similar stuff on social media she would be hung out to dry. Reputational damage doesn't seem to be a risk that Lavery faces and it took an age for the College of Charleston to act in the case of Dr Ivy, and even then the issues cited were nothing to do with Ivy's antics on Twitter etc.

I saw that picture too, @Helleofabore. Enlightening. Amazing what filters can do.