Do feminists care about South Asian Women?

[ASingh123424]

I ask this because I have seen so much abuse thrown at many Asian (majority Muslim women) who get bombarded by hate comments by Muslim men if they do anything minor deemed “haram” (Sinful). Yet Asian men get away with everything on social media.

I have been on TikTok too and seen this video below;

vm.tiktok.com/ZMd2jGAGw/

The ladies dancing are older, doing nothing special, just innocent dancing, in modest clothing, yet the comments throw abuse at them. I can barely find anyone defending her. She’s from the UK too… it’s sad. It happens to LGBTQ Muslims too, who again get less defenders compared to white lgbtq members.

Why are they seemingly ignored? These are things feminists should be trying to stamp out in the western world. But it’s always brushed under the carpet… is it fear of offence? Is that right?

I am a south Asian man and I feel alone when defending a lot of these issue faced by Asian women and LGBT’s in my community. It’s present across all social media. It’s toxic

vm.tiktok.com/ZMd2MJmFc/

Another video … this time with lgbt hate. Next to no defenders.

I frequently defend Muslim women on social media, but I’m just one person and not on TikTok

Unfortunately there is a racism of lower expectations that some people have towards Black and Brown people/cultures.

Then there is also the fear of being perceived as racist.

A combination of the two means sexism and misogyny in other cultures are rarely tackled, unfortunately.

*perceived as racist if you criticise other cultures.

Of course feminists are concerned with the rights and well being of all women. But it's still a male-dominated world - how on earth do you suppose women can 'stamp out' men's bad behaviour?

It's good you're taking responsibility yourself as far as you can - but presumably you're asking the same question of men too?

I care about South Asian women and if I was on Tiktok or any other social media platform and saw those comments I would defend them (I'm embarrassed to say I can't even see any comments on the link you shared though).

I think there are two problems - one is the "silo" effect of social media where you tend to follow your friends and media you're interested in, and the algorithm feeds you more stuff like what you're already seeing. Hence I have never seen comments like that on stuff I see on Instagram, for instance, and what I don't see, I can't defend.

The second problem is that comments like that often are more productively challenged from within the community rather than from outside - as a south Asian man do you think your criticisms of other south Asian men's attitudes will have more power and authority than me, a white middle aged mum? I don't fear someone calling me a racist for defending women, but just pragmatically, the best and healthiest change comes from conversations that develop within a community.

That being said, you are not alone! Keep fighting the good fight and standing up for women! We all need allies like you.

We care. We can't fix everting ourslves though. Thank you for tacking those comments.

Erm

Feminism has many forms and exists all over the world.

Are the people being awful feminists?

I'm not on tiktok.

Misogyny, racism and s combo of the two is rife on the internet. Look at the abuse that certain MPs get.

You're on tiktok and you're understandably pissed off at what you're seeing.

What have you done to address it?

I would think reporting to tiktok and for the LGBT+ community posts contacting a charity that works for that community and seeing if they will do something around it with a campaign or similar would be a starting point.

Engaging at an individual level is unlikely to achieve results.

What makes you think men would listen to us, even if we had the resources to comment on everything on the internet?

I enjoyed that video. 2 women just having fun. Am I right in thinking it was mostly Asian men who left negative comments? As you well know, there is deep seated misogyny within the different Asian communities, particularly within certain religions. Women are expected to conform and many are policed.

Asian women are being supported every day. Do we need to do more? Absolutely. Perhaps why more is not being done is that part of the problem is it's mostly hidden within the sub-culture. Yes, people may know generally but not the nitty gritty details of life as an Asian woman. For example, it's highly unlikely that people not in the culture would have viewed that TikTok video. The Asian would have probably made fun of their age, their looks, their clothes and how they should go back to the kitchen (and some women would have joined them too no doubt).

On the whole I would say that women are supporting Asian women. It's great that as Asian man you are speaking up but you need to be active in changing the hearts and minds of Asian men.

*The Asian men would have

ASingh123424

White British Feminist do care about South Asian women.

Unfortunately the liberal left in our country is very quick to label everyone "racist" for pointing out problems.

It's like being stuck between a rock and a hard place.

(Is this thread an attempt to screen grab comments that are not woke and therefore racist according to the wokerati??)

The way to effect change is to go higher- tiktok, relevant charities etc.

I think the idea that women on mumsnet don't care about Muslim women of Asian background because men are saying shit on Tiktok is a bit odd tbh.

@GNCQ

(Is this thread an attempt to screen grab comments that are not woke and therefore racist according to the wokerati??)

Everything is racist to the wokerati. Including the comment I just made, obviously.

These issues need to be tackled from within South Asian communities and families.

Encourage South Asian women to speak out and form supportive groups for each other as they are in the best place to understand the issues that they face. There are already some very outspoken women and groups set up by them.

Also South Asian men aren't going to listen to women. Men like yourself need to be speaking up and challenging the sexist attitudes or harassment that you come across among your family, friends or social networks. Men tend to listen to other men. Try to influence younger men and teenagers and boys, so that they grow up to be respectful of women.
If you come across online harassment, most websites have a way to report such behaviour.