GMP new chief stands up against wokeness

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GMP's new chief constable 'absolutely would not' take the knee www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/gmps-new-chief-constable-absolutely-20807814

I know the article states it's about taking the knee but there's a great quote further down:

"Stephen Watson believes the level of 'woke' policing has passed a 'high water mark' of tolerance from the public, who would rather see officers catch burglars.

He said the public is 'fed up' with 'virtue-signalling police officers' and believes that the impartiality of officers could be undermined by responses to campaign groups including actions such as taking the knee or wearing their pins, badges or rainbow shoelaces."

Am I right in thinking the campaign groups he speaks of are likely to include Stonewall?

The tide is changing and quickly it seems.

I appreciate there is a lot in that article but from a FWR point of view I'm taking it as a positive and hoping that GMP improve. The same GMP who classed marital rape as "not very nice but not a crime," when I reported my exH. And that was a female detective who said that.

"Woke" is a meaningless term, used to justify transphobia and hatred of Meghan Markle and not much more.

@FloppyHoldsNoTruckWithFrontedA

"The police should act without fear not favour. They take an oath to act impartially." is there any chance you could link? Sadly my abuser is one of them (hence bravery of his colleague) and I think he has used this very wording........ Apologies for derail.

The oath of attestation, taken by every regular constable in England and Wales is: "I do solemnly and sincerely declare and affirm that I will well and truly serve the Queen in the office of constable, with fairness, integrity, diligence and impartiality, upholding fundamental human rights and according equal respect to all people; and that I will, to the best of my power, cause the peace to be kept and preserved and prevent all offences against people and property; and that while I continue to hold the said office I will to the best of my skill and knowledge discharge all the duties thereof faithfully according to law.”

www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2002/30 (see s.83)

Number that’s really helpful.
Thank you.

Not RTFT but read the piece.

He sounds fucking awful.

Has anyone asked him to 'take the knee' in uniform? I'm guessing not. So. Why say it? What message is he giving with that?

He puts a lot of store on neat uniform. Yay?! A certain type of person puts a lot of weight on that. Generally not people I like. Conformity, following orders, not thinking for yourself, not doing anything out of step... I mean is there a big problem with officers not being smartly turned out? Another weird thing to focus on.

He wants to deal with the things people really care about- property crime. Right. That doesn't bode well for women and girls there.

Manchester has (did in the 90s I assume still does) a big gay scene. Used to be 2nd to Brighton. Is it 'woke' to be concerned about crimes against that group?

He sounds really awful.

Manchester also has a massive amount of students.

If a blue haired non binary female reports being sexually assaulted. Based on that. I have no confidence it will be investigated.

He has also signalled he has no time for activism around anti racism, or the large gay community.

That's how I read it. Or at least, how I feel about what he has said.

That's his statement about his new role?

I mean it's a shit statement designed to appeal to those who think political correctness has gawn mad.

IMO.

Googled.

Guardian.

'Watson, who spent the last six years as chief constable of South Yorkshire police clearing up after the Rotherham child sexual exploitation scandal, '

Clearing up?!

And the grooming and abuse is ongoing.

Googling more and tangent.

Anyone heard about this before?

'Stephen Watson disclosed this week that a number of police officers are the subject of probes by the Independent Police Complaints Commission into allegations that they abused children in Rotherham.

The exact number has not been disclosed, but Chief Con Watson made the admission during a discussion about the child sexual exploitation scandal in Rotherham'

NiceGerbil I agree. Have you also seen that GMP are introducing restorative justice as an alternative to prosecution for domestic abuse. Apparently it is voluntary but given that DV relationships involve coercive control how voluntary can that be. Women can be forced to sit in a room with their abuser and talk about the abuse. It just gives abusers an excuse to torture their victim even more.

Bring anti woke does not mean someone is a friend to women. It is usually the opposite.

Restorative justice for domestic abuse?! 🤬🤬🤬🤬 no fucking way. They are useless when it comes to DV here and this is just a kick in the teeth.
My OP was to do with GMP possibly leaving Stonewall and stopping all the rainbow/no terfs/women are transphobic for stating biology bollocks.

Manchester also has a massive amount of students

True but he is not the chief constable of Manchester, he is the the CC of Greater Manchester. There is a big difference between how a student in Manchester sees things and everyday people in places like Rochdale, Wigan and Oldham

Anyone heard about this before?

'Stephen Watson disclosed this week that a number of police officers are the subject of probes by the Independent Police Complaints Commission into allegations that they abused children in Rotherham.

Yes I've heard it, and police officers have been arrested before as being part of GGs. Some GGs are connected to the legal profession and our institutions, often by family ties. The rot runs deep gerbil

Has this man actually said one single word about trans issues and the need to protect women's spaces, or are people simply assuming that being "anti-woke" means being "anti-trans" and that by extension being anti-trans means being pro-women?

With depressing regularity someone will pop up on FC to start a thread that is pro-racist or pro-far right wing, making the argument that people who are pro-trans rights are usually also anti-racism, ergo ergo it's pro-woman to be racist, so GC feminists should be right wing and be against anti-racism.

I treat these threads with deep suspicion. There are a lot of right wing extremists (and even white supremacists) who are only too happy to try to co-opt and manipulate the GC movement for their own agenda, as well as posters who start threads to get material to screencap so they can paint GC women as racist. Stop giving them ammunition!

None of these right wing, racist MEN give a shit about women or women's rights.

I started the thread in relation to the way organisations are deserting Stonewall as this article caught my interest. I'm glad I did as posters have made some interesting points. I love this board as it's really opened my eyes to how women are treated. How many things I've accepted over the years, my own internalised misogyny and now I'm fighting back against things.
I've been here for some time and MNHQ will be able to verify that I'm a regular poster. I'm certainly not right wing!! I'm politically homeless since Labour showed their true colours in recent years.
I did point out that there's a lot in that article but my focus was on the anti-woke comment and if it would mean that GMP will leave Stonewall if they are with them.
I don't always phrase things correctly (awaiting ASD assessment) and am not very knowledgable compared to most on this board so I'm prone to wrong-write.

@ohforarainyday

Has this man actually said one single word about trans issues and the need to protect women's spaces, or are people simply assuming that being "anti-woke" means being "anti-trans" and that by extension being anti-trans means being pro-women?

With depressing regularity someone will pop up on FC to start a thread that is pro-racist or pro-far right wing, making the argument that people who are pro-trans rights are usually also anti-racism, ergo ergo it's pro-woman to be racist, so GC feminists should be right wing and be against anti-racism.

I treat these threads with deep suspicion. There are a lot of right wing extremists (and even white supremacists) who are only too happy to try to co-opt and manipulate the GC movement for their own agenda, as well as posters who start threads to get material to screencap so they can paint GC women as racist. Stop giving them ammunition!

None of these right wing, racist MEN give a shit about women or women's rights.

I agree. I see your posts OP and that this was absolutely not your personal context/politics behind this post, but I think conflating 'resist the woke' with GC views is really thin ice. Don't chuck the baby out with the bathwater.

I agree that a lot of performative "BLM"/taking the knee has just been point-scoring nonsense (similar to big corporations flogging rainbow crap at this time of year - trying to cash in on the pink pound without doing anything for any LGBT+ people), but I'd rather the police performed this than dismissed it all at the highest level. They have a lot of institutionalised racism to unpack and dismantle, so playing to the "PC gorn mad" gallery is not where they should be right now.

I also saw - and was horrified by - the DV 'restorative justice' approach GMP are so proud to unveil.

I feel very differently about police forces decrying 'the woke' vs EHRC and hopefully areas of the NHS parting ways with Stonewall.

Property crime causes a huge amount of distress and fear and isn't entirely divorced from violent crime and crimes against women. Of course violent crime should be the main priority but every time I read about some police officer in an office continually phoning up some person who has put forth their perfectly legal views on Twitter, I think about all the people I know who couldn't get a police officer to attend a burglary.

Restorative justice for dv?

Oh ffs

@NiceGerbil

Restorative justice for dv?

Oh ffs

Come on, it's not all bad. Hopefully afterwards the abusers will be able to access mental health support to help them work through the trauma of fearing they might be prosecuted and then having to face their victim and say sorry.

I don't think it should be the business of the police to get involved in restorative justice at any level. Restorative justice is just one of those processes criminals go through to get their punishment reduced. Using it in domestic violence cases is dangerous and cruel.