You're right of course

[LongBlobson]

Thank you, oh eloquent ones, for sticking to your guns and continuing to challenge stuff on here.

I posted on a thread about Maya at the weekend, and was pulled up on some points, in particular about protecting the most vulnerable groups of women, (though trans people may be vulnerable).

I guess those posters are on FWR and wanted them to know they did make me stop and think, and I feel more able to voice my opinions and concerns about gender ID stuff because of it.

Am working on DH, who last month was concerned that I sounded 'like a bigot', but who turns out to be gender critical when forced to actually stop and consider the issue rather than ignoring it and vaguely saying everyone should 'be kind'.

Well done on getting DH to listen. Having a partner call you a bigot must be very draining.
I'm lucky because not only is DH respectful of me, he's used to me being very, very liberal so knew there must be more to it.
It took about three conversations for him to really get it. I'm now confident he can articulate the threat to women's rights this is.
I think it is generally more difficult for men to get it because they walk through the world without knowing what constant harrasment and discrimination feels like. Men who are victims of toxic masculinity tend to get it quicker though.

This issue is a subset of males inserting themselves into female oppression then telling us WE are oppressing them.

Most aren't even the 'most vulnerable' males in society.

Most aren't even the 'most vulnerable' males in society.

Quite. 'Any male should be permitted into female spaces because some males are the "most vulnerable" males in society.'

Great that you are talking to your partner and making some progress with him.

Someone on FWR did a lovely takedown of the Most Vulnerable Ever narrative.

More vulnerable than ..

a baby?

An 85yo with dementia

A sex—trafficked drug addict

A refugee fleeing a war zone

Someone with profound disabilities

A woman fleeing domestic abuse

When I saw it laid out like that, it seemed really obvious.

What the users of that narrative invariably mean, is Most Vulnerable Person Like Me (overwhelmingly white, wealthy otherwise healthy, middle class…..)

Yes the "vulnerability" of transwomen (usually given in the form of misleading suicide/murder likelihood propaganda) is frequently weaponized in order to guilt trip women into giving up their rights.

It's ok to say no. Because 1 the claims aren't true and 2 even if they were the solution is not to make the world less safe for women.