Gender identity on application form

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I need to register my interest in regards to a career change I wish to make. I want to be successful, this is important to me and why I am posting.

One question is:

GENDER IDENTITY
Which of the following describes how you think of yourself?
Man
Trans Man
Trans Woman
Woman
Prefer to Self describe (with an explanation box)
Prefer not to say.

I don't know what to put, I reject the notion of gender but in reality will this just immediately make me ineligible and should I tick Woman?

I'd be so annoyed that Woman is bottom of the list I'd tick Prefer Not To Say.

Prefect not to say I guess. Will the culture be ‘that type’ though when you get there?

Are they legally allowed to ask this question?

I'd actually be tempted to tick transwoman, you'd definitely get the job.

I wonder how they justify the relevance of this question?

You could write female in the self describe box.

It is annoying though. If it's a public sector organisation and an equalities monitoring form then they are failing in their Public Sector Equality Duty because gender identity is not a protected characteristic.

Man and woman isn’t gender anyway surely? It’s sex.

Is there another question on sex or is this the only one to let them know the sex of the applicant?

I normally cross out gender and write sex but if you want the job just tick woman.

As it’s a work thing that’s very important to you, I’d tick prefer not to say. Im wondering what will happen to organisations monitoring stats if a lot of women just tick “prefer not to say” to everything

Is it an online form and is the question compulsory? If yes I’d tick “prefer not to say”.

If it’s a paper form I’d leave that question blank. Ticking any option makes it look like you agree gender identity is (a) a thing and (b) anyone else’s business.

You’ve got to wonder why they ask. What difference does it make? I can’t think of a single job where being trans would make a scrap of difference. I would tick ‘prefer not to say’ as something of a fuck you.

I have not applied for jobs where they don’t ask sex yet have a whole raft of potential options for ‘gender’. If that’s their culture, not for me.

My sister went to work in a place that is notorious for this. She is gay and assumed (back then - her old office had unisex loos and she knew that I hate that but was ‘oooh it’s like Ally MaBeal!’) that I was just being a boring old bag about these things (I mentioned that it was wokesville).

Her last comment on work was an expletive ladened one about ‘woke’ culture, whining cry babies and people who are bad at their jobs crying victimhood if queried (and that they wouldn’t last five minutes in another company).

Now she has seen it first hand she is pretty much gobsmacked by how this has played out.

@EastWestWhosBest

You’ve got to wonder why they ask. What difference does it make? I can’t think of a single job where being trans would make a scrap of difference. I would tick ‘prefer not to say’ as something of a fuck you.

I think there are lots of jobs where it makes a difference:

• bra measurer in M&S
• breast screening nurse
• support worker in a DV centre

Basically any job where sex based exclusions might be legal under the equalities act.

I might tick other and specify something like 'non-gendered'.

They'll think you're on the gender spectrum somewhere in the middle so non-binary. But what you've actually said is that you don't do gender.

Self describe - sex female. Gender - not a clue

Thank you, this is an online compulsory question, there is no sex based question and it is only to register interest so I'm particularly about it.

I did wonder if putting non gendered might bolster my application but will probably go prefer not to say

The data on application forms would not be used to select who gets the job. It's anonymised and used to monitor the diversity of the business and to ensure there is fairness in the process.

The data wouldn't be linked to you so you can put whatever you feel comfortable with

Asking the questions doesn't necessarily tell you the kind of culture of the business though. In my experience this stuff is often asked to show they're inclusive but there's little effort put into following that through, so may be more 'tick box' than indicative of their culture internally

I’d tick the self-describe box and write in “I don’t have a gender identity” or “No gender identity”.

Prefer not to Say still gives the impression you have one, and if you don’t have one and don’t subscribe to the ideology then I think you shouldn’t prop it up, if you get what I mean.

If you want the job, answer the question.

@TeenMinusTests - M&S employ a transwoman as a bra measurer in their Parthenon store so sex based exclusions are less important to them than they are to you

[quote Clymene]@TeenMinusTests - M&S employ a transwoman as a bra measurer in their Parthenon store so sex based exclusions are less important to them than they are to you[/quote]
Um. Well, maybe M&S care more about being inclusive to transwomen than they do to women?

Trans woman in ladies clothing/undies dept to two stores near my office.

I do a lot of survey's that have this question. If there is a free text box I just write "I don't have a gender identity".

I think they probably do @TeenMinusTests. Personally I would feel deeply uncomfortable which is one of the many reasons I don't buy underwear at M&S