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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Goldfish, eh

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 11/06/2021 19:38

divamag.co.uk/2021/06/11/a-minor-but-inconsequential-victory-director-of-transactual-and-chair-of-trans-media-watch-reflects-on-the-maya-forstater-case/

Our old friend and extreme porn advocate Jane Fae has been commissioned by Diva magazine to pontificate about the Maya Forstater case. You'll all be amazed to hear Jane thinks it doesn't matter very much. See interesting analogy below, concerning an overexcited and overindulged daughter. Jane, of course, has a daughter and chose the night before daughter's AS level exams to break the news of Jane's transition, so Jane knows all about picking your moment to tell your daughter potentially upsetting news.

www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2012/feb/18/gender-dysmorphia-daughter-dad-woman

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There is a familiar energy to yesterday’s case. It’s been a long day at the fair. Mummy and daddy have spent loads of money – and half the afternoon – on the hoopla. Eventually, their efforts pay off. As they collect their prize, their precious princess is over-joyed.

“Mummy!”, she proclaims proudly: “a goldfish!”

She doesn’t mind that it’s a lop-sided, incontinent goldfish. Or that all the other little boys and girls got one too. Today, she is a winner.

“Shall we tell her?”, daddy whispers in the car home.

“No”. Mummy shakes her head. “Let her have her dreams. For now.”

As goldfish, so legal verdicts. Yesterday was a minor but otherwise inconsequential victory for transphobes and evangelicals. But unless the tribunal decides that personal belief gives you the right to hassle work colleagues and clients it is a hollow one, destined, in time, for that great toilet bowl in the sky.

Which, after all, is the ultimate destiny awaiting goldfish and bad laws everywhere.
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Cailleach1 · 11/06/2021 22:47

Is this about telling their daughter of their new identity? It may be that the daughter thinks of the author as a super duper goldfish, and they don't want to disavow the daughter that in fact, the goldfish is not quite as it seems is the daughter's eyes. Mommy and daddy will let her admire daddy a little longer before the big reveal.

Alicethruthelookingglass · 12/06/2021 00:47

Given the author's proclivities, I don't want to know where that goldfish has been.

yourhairiswinterfire · 12/06/2021 00:53

@OvaHere

If we compare that to Peter Daly's excellent piece looking at the potential implications of Maya's win I feel quite embarrassed for Fae and Diva for thinking such drivel will cut it any more.
God, that was a stunning piece of writing, wasn't it? Absolutely brilliant.
somethinginoffensive · 12/06/2021 01:27

Funny how both the Forstater case, the ONS sex question and the woman in the maternity bill are all really really unimportant and "why did we bother?"

Well, why did Maya not have her contract renewed if stating men cannot become women is so obviously a valid belief?

Why did the ONS try to record sex by self-id?

Why did a maternity bill get written as though it could apply to men?

This is all important and the TRAs know it.

Paralithic · 12/06/2021 05:10

So both Fae and Belcher (on R4 on Friday morning) have wheeled themselves out to publicly downplay the EAT judgement?

The lady doth protest too much methinks.

(Although someone should point out to Fae er al that if employer does not renew a fixed term contract it is considered to be dismissal.)

Sophoclesthefox · 12/06/2021 05:23

@KimThomas

Hmm. Who to believe here? The lawyer who wrote a clear, eloquent account of why the judgement matters, or the non-lawyer whose main claim to fame is campaigning in support of violent and sadistic pornography?
It’s a real head scratcher Confused Grin

I find myself having articles commissioned about irrelevant things that don’t matter at all all the time. Really, who doesn’t?

Tragic.

I am tired of this constant obfuscating of the fact that this tribunal was about whether Maya had been discriminated against, not that she was doing the discrimination. If people can’t be bothered to engage with that simple fact, there’s not point in proceeding further, because they’ve demonstrated that they can’t even bring themselves to think about women’s rights for even as long as it takes to understand this case.

Also: terrible article. Badly written, one eyed, poorly constructed. 1/10, see me after class.

TwistedEyeOfHorus · 12/06/2021 09:23

Waterloo was a minor but inconsequential victory for the British in 1815.

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