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[AntiSocialDistancer]

Whats the argument for self ID when a GRC is £5?

Genuine answers please!

The problem for the TRAs is that you still need to have a medical diagnosis of gender dysphoria and have to live as your chosen gender(whatever that means) for 2 years, so they class it as medical gatekeeping and that's not fair apparently

I understand that the waiting lists for gender identity clinics tend to be at least two years, if not longer. Then there’s all the ‘medical gate keeping’ to go through before a certificate can be applied for. I think a long period of waiting and testing isn’t a bad thing, by the way, but am setting out what concerns have been raised.

Someone came on here once and said the problem was getting doctors to agree with you snd sign the paperwork so they had to pay to get a private doctor to sign it for them

Did sound like the doctors had said they didn't meet the criteria

This really irritates me.

An elderly person wanting to appoint a Power of Attorney has to pay £82 for each (Care and Financial). These really are essential as no one knows what will happen to them and without, relatives are unable to step in, either in making key care decision or in sort out finances. Kate Garraway appears to have had real problems when Derek Draper became ill, which took an age to sort out. Gender clinics may have waiting lists, but the Court of Protection, who grant the equivalent of a POA if there is none in place, is equally slow and not at all user friendly.

However the elderly, like so many others, are not special in the way some people are special.

Perhaps Stonewall could start campaigning on behalf of elderly gay and lesbian people, the generation who did so much to establish homosexual equality.

The delays in the medical system make sense in the complaints I suppose. I understand the "It's harmful for me to go along with a gender phobic process" but I'm much less sympathetic to that reasoning.

Thank you! And yes @needmoresleep - there are plenty of other vital services with cost implications and long waiting times etc. 3 years and counting for me to see a birth trauma clinic

Reality is the GRC adds nothing to a trans person, other then their ability to change their birth and death certificate.

Everything else works as self ID, and has done so since 2010 EA was introduced. So many trans people I talk to say they don't see any point in gaining the certificate, whatever the cost.

While many don't like to acknowledge it: Gender Reassignment and proposing or undergoing it means a person is protected from discrimination.

It is essentially self id - anyone can propose to undergo gender reassignment.

And this has not led to a rush of men pretending to be women to try and sexually assault women in bathrooms. It would be more convenient for them to put on a cleaner's uniform!

Except that this is noting to do with medical wait lists and the NHS.

The GRC is a legal document just the same as a POA.

People with failing capacity need the POA every bit as much, probably more, than people with gender dysphoria need a GRC. Why does one group pay £5, whilst the other pays £164.

However, male sexual predators who was locked up with trapped women in a women's prison wouldn't have had the same access as a cleaner, though.

That would mean any sexual assaults which happened because the males (on foot of their stated identity) placed in such a setting may not otherwise have happened. So, yes I do think it is easier for males to gain access to trapped and vulnerable when they can use the identifying as a woman route.

I wonder if it is the case that as the state/prison service trapped the women in an environment like that, that they could be regarded as complicit or accomplices in exposing those women to being sexually assaulted/raped.

Reality is the GRC adds nothing to a trans person, other then their ability to change their birth and death certificate.

Everything else works as self ID, and has done so since 2010 EA was introduced. So many trans people I talk to say they don't see any point in gaining the certificate, whatever the cost.

So why are they campaigning so hard to change the GRA?

does Pips Bunce pay a fiver every day?

I've heard it explained as medicalising something that's inherent to your identity and not (necessarily) a medical condition. I.e. you don't need to suffer from gender dysphoria.
I don't really know what it is then, or what 'transitioning' is', tbh.

It used to be £140 I think and add to that the costs of changing passports and driving licences. I think the government making it a nominal fee was a quick win for them as people could no longer say it was too costly. But as others say it's never been about the process and cost the end game is self id.

An elderly person wanting to appoint a Power of Attorney has to pay £82 for each (Care and Financial). These really are essential as no one knows what will happen to them and without, relatives are unable to step in, either in making key care decision or in sort out finances

Yes this is crap and the price should be lowered to £5 as well. This is such a problem for people.

Why should a panel of random people have the final say on something so important to someone’s life? They’re notorious for declining applications for things like not having a copy of the original diagnosis of gender dysphoria, even if a person had lower surgery years ago for example.

Having to collate all the information is a complete nightmare (keeping a bit of post from every 4 months for the last 2 years, doing a statutory declaration, getting the GP to write a summary of transition or collating all interactions with medical providers etc.). All when self-ID has never proved an issues in countries it is implemented in.

All when self-ID has never proved an issues in countries it is implemented in.

Are you not aware of the difficulties self ID has caused in Ireland?

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3746471-Defence-lawyer-says-that-the-Gender-Recognition-Act-has-placed-the-State-in-an-impossible-position-with-regard-to-transgender-prisoners

Why should a panel of random people have the final say on something so important to someone’s life?

Panels of random people get a final say on lots of important things in people's lives.

Are you not aware of the difficulties self ID has caused in Ireland?

And Canada.

Why should a panel of random people have the final say on something so important to someone’s life?

If someone is going to get legal recognition as the opposite sex, that's pretty important for the rest of society. Especially when it's a male person gaining the legal status of female.

Why should a panel of random people have the final say on something so important to someone’s life?

Because that decision has an important impact on women.