Anyone know much about TENI?

[alwayswithhope]

I work in a large organisation in Ireland. For pride week they sent around an email talking about trans rights etc. They have made bathrooms for ‘anyone who identifies as a woman’ but have also designated single bathrooms previously for disabled employees as neutral bathrooms anyone can use so can’t complain about that as there is a space for those who feel uncomfortable using the new ‘women’s bathrooms’ (not sure disabled employees will be happy but no one seems to care ) anyway there was also a voluntary training online on the whole thing of gender identify given by TENI. Sign up must have been poor as there was a reminder sent around to ‘sign up to attend one of these sessions at your earliest convenience’ so it feels to me like this will become mandatory.

Just wondering if I have to go? And if anyone knows anything about TENI?

I could cry from Irish women and girls, with the Forstater case in the UK that belief in the immutability of sex (i.e. reality) is a protected belief.

Again the nearly 80% male Dáil are screwing over the rights of women and girls to safety, privacy and dignity. I was thinking how they couldn't give a toss about locking women up with male sexual predators. Is it the human version of hare coursing which appeals to the male TD's. Women being the hares, of course.

Then, while gc is a protected belief (i.e. in reality) in the UK, some very nasty Irish NGO's are calling for political representation to be withdrawn. If only they could put people in Siberia.

I think it is the contrasting regressive rot of what is happening in Ireland while British women are being freed of this ideological capture that is most striking. While the dead babies still lie in a ground dump in Tuam, and the women are getting state injustice on top of state injustice.

Why do we always have these shyster TD's and senators doing their stuff under misogynistic ideologies?

I agree Cailleach1, it's seems to be a hangover of the Catholic church control and suppression of women. Along with the super duper liberals who view this as just another gay rights issue (which it very clearly isn't, but to the casual observer it may look like it). The T have very successfully cloaked themselves in the LGB.

Could you find out through a Freedom of Information request who has advised them about the toilet issue? I’d be happy to find out on your behalf if you wish

I think legally the Irish GRA would not stand up to a challenge. The word woman and man, sex etc are in the Constitution and their definition is well known, the GRA changed those definitions which you can't do without a referendum.

If you look at what Shatter (Min for Justice and Solicitor) said around the time of marriage equality, the case law had well defined marriage and redefining it through statute would redefine the consitution without a constitutional ammendment and wouldn't stand. The same is true about the GRA IMHO

waves at TENI because they stalk this place

They are comprised of poorly-qualified, overpaid grifters with extremely dubious credentials and one day they and their enablers will be held to account.

@miri1985

I think legally the Irish GRA would not stand up to a challenge. The word woman and man, sex etc are in the Constitution and their definition is well known, the GRA changed those definitions which you can't do without a referendum.

If you look at what Shatter (Min for Justice and Solicitor) said around the time of marriage equality, the case law had well defined marriage and redefining it through statute would redefine the consitution without a constitutional ammendment and wouldn't stand. The same is true about the GRA IMHO

I hope you are right. The current coalition do not appear to be in the slightest bit worried. They continue to move forward with blinkers on. Unfortunately I suspect the only major party in opposition (SF) would be no different I feel that it will be many years before we are at the point the UK is at now.

[quote MnaWoman]**@DeeKavCoffee “i agree fireproof but unfortunately there was qutie a lot of stuff on self id for lots of months in the media and politics before it came in, beacuse it was lgbt rights it was mentioned whenever someone mentioned the marriage referendum (which was talked about a lot over here). it would have been very hard for someone to not know about it.

i was going to go to one of the public meetings about it but thought i'd be the lone voice of reason”

That’s very disingenuous of you.

There were no public meetings about the final version of the GRA. It was a medical model when it went through a consultation process when experts were asked to comment on it. The Seanad passed it as a medical model and the Dail changed it to self ID over a few weeks. How is that clear and transparent?

Also Aoife Martin from TENI states that it “somehow slipped under the radar” www.gendergp.com/ireland-trans-rights-aoife-martin/

The Denton’s/IGLYO document tells Trans Rights Activists to “Tie your campaign to more popular reform
In Ireland, Denmark and Norway, changes to the law on legal gender recognition were put through at the same time as other more popular reforms such as marriage equality legislation. This provided a veil of protection, particularly in Ireland, where marriage equality was strongly supported, but gender identity remained a more difficult issue to win public support for.”
www.iglyo.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/11/IGLYO_v3-1.pdf

Would you like to provide evidence for your position?[/quote]
@DeeKavCoffee wondering if you could come back on this please? No obligation to but your position is very much undermined if you can’t support your assertion.

@manwoman i didnt realise i had to provide written testimony to any effect, i'm just saying that i was (and still am) in Ireland and i remember some very heated conversations and debates about it. maybe you didnt but that could have been your circles.

@alwayswithhope Hope you manage with some of the pointers here; perhaps some of the news from the UK like Maya Forstater's win will help make people think over here.

@irishfeminist

waves at TENI because they stalk this place

They are comprised of poorly-qualified, overpaid grifters with extremely dubious credentials and one day they and their enablers will be held to account.

Well if their National Community Development Officer continues to slag the IRA and call themselves the TRA and post doctored pictures of Provos in balaclavas with a transgender flag behind them they may be held to account an awful lot faster than they think.

Imagine the arrogance/stupidity to post that - they have since deleted it.

@MnaWoman

Could you find out through a Freedom of Information request who has advised them about the toilet issue? I’d be happy to find out on your behalf if you wish

They are openly saying it’s TENI and that TENI are giving these talks.

[quote Bumblefly250]@alwayswithhope Hope you manage with some of the pointers here; perhaps some of the news from the UK like Maya Forstater's win will help make people think over here.[/quote]
Yes the Maya win is a massive boost. If it comes to being told I must attend this talk or just use pronouns or the bathroom issue becomes a big problem I will be using pointers here to draft an email on the advisability of using TENI in this area. In the interim maybe they will give more ammunition to use too. The tide is certainly turning in the U.K. (well done to you all) so hopefully it will soon here too and when it does start no doubt the likes of TENI will kick out

@alwayswithhope it would be great to see that in writing though. Much like Stonewall giving advice that went against the law - if TENI are also giving it then that would be great to see in writing.

Is your company subject to FOI?

[quote DeeKavCoffee]@manwoman i didnt realise i had to provide written testimony to any effect, i'm just saying that i was (and still am) in Ireland and i remember some very heated conversations and debates about it. maybe you didnt but that could have been your circles.[/quote]
I do remember some discussion about it, but as pp said it was very clearly about the medical model, not self id. Self Id was not brought in until the last minute. Very sneaky.

@alwayswithhope this is very good I hadn't realised if you put in the @ you get an email that someone has replied to you.

I'd just like to say to you that you are brave enough. Yesterday because of the UK judgement I asked my youngest daughter about toilets in her school. To my horror I found out that the new school building which is at planning stage has unisex toilets. So I'm going to come on to mumsnet for help in being that mother who writes that letter. And I'm going to do this for my daughters. Because it's important.

Don't forget that you can now say in Ireland that trans women are not women, and you are protected in so saying because the UK ruling also applies to Ireland because the Judge specifically referred to EU law in his judgement. (I'll come back to this as I need to read the judgement) . Have you listened to the Joe Duffy radio show which dealt with the toilets issue in Irish schools (Irish radio show on topical issues on the state BBC equivilent called RTE). Here is a link to get you started

www.thesun.ie/news/6887694/irish-schools-gender-neutral-toilets-lgbt/ I think there might be a thread on here about it.

I know that mumsnet readers help with how to draft letters, I'm fairly new on here so right now I cannot figure out what you must do but I'm currently overloaded and cannot start my own letter yet.

@Cailin66
AFAIK schools must engage with parents and students before they make a decision on gender neutral toilets. I would be contacting the school ASAP.
There is a thread on this. I am not sure on how to link it but I will bump it up.

On phone so will link later but countess website has letter templates I think

thecountess.ie/mixed-sex-toilets-template-letters/

Well, TENI were due to file their 2019 annual return on Friday (original due date 30-09-20 but extension granted to all companies cause of Covid), but we have confirmation from the CRO they weren't filed on time.

What does that mean? @purplepizzabunny

@purplepizzabunny. I remember you posting about this in the past. Still no taxes filed. The plot thickens 🤔

They eventually filed 2018 15 months late in January. An entity that receives taxpayer funds.

@purplepizzabunny I’m afraid that I still don’t get what this means. What’s the likely outcome - is it that they will be fined, forced to close as a company, directors struck off? How serious is it?

I thought I’d figure it out but I’m not business minded.

Hey Mna. Sorry, should have been clearer. TENI have been very lucky, as CRO would likely have started strike off proceedings had COVID 19 not struck, and there is a moratorium. However, they will be fined.

"In addition, an on-the-spot fine may be imposed by the CRO where the company has a record of persistent late filing and/or summary prosecution of the company and/or any officer in default. Fines of up to €5,000 can be imposed on a conviction for breach of the annual return filing requirements".

There seemed to be no repercussions for the late 2018 filing, which, given they receive public funding is very exasperating. But I am going to message some politicians and the regulatory bodies as it is an utter disgrace they can't file on time.

The Burkean
'TENI’s Troubles: Ireland’s Largest Trans NGO Has Funding Suspended Over Accounting Irregularities'
Ciaran Brennan on 29/07/2021
(extract)
"In emails seen by The Burkean, TENI, a regular feature on the NGO circuit, and instrumental in the passing of the notoriously permissive Gender Recognition Act, has lost the receipt of funding from the Health Executive since June over improperly filed accounts.

Previously, owing to a dearth of public information, The Burkean followed up on the trans industry, and revealed that the sector received copious amounts of funding from foreign actors, as well as the state’s health executive and numerous state bodies. This was despite a failure by TENI to lodge their accounts in time for the year 2019.

Among the major donors to TENI are the HSE which since 2014 has gifted €1.3 million to the trans militants. In an email seen by The Burkean, officials from the HSE expressed concern over growing controversy at TENI’s failure to file orderly financial accounts. Subsequent to this, money earmarked for TENI from the HSE’s Social Inclusion fund were pulled from the trans advocates until such a point that these issues are ironed out.Similar to this it would appear that €40,000 worth of grant money from the philanthropic group Rethink Ireland is also on ice.

HSE Funding to TENI since 2014 totalling €1.3 million

In addition to state support, TENI also benefits from grants pumped into it by the Sigrid Rausing Trust, a philanthropic project operated by the famous Swedish industrial heiress of the same name. With a cheque cut for £210,000 in June, the Swedish based fund which also donates heavily to the Irish Council of Civil Liberties, as well as the UK based antifascist surveillance agency Hope Not Hate, appears to have no qualms about directing funds to a NGO potentially playing fast and loose with charity regulations.

Previous to this, an eye watering £385,000 had been given to TENI from the Sigrid Rausing Trust alone since 2014, complimenting funding from the HSE. Not the only major international donor, TENI has enjoyed hefty grants from the Rethink Ireland scheme again drawing from again many international donors. (continues)

www.theburkean.ie/articles/2021/07/29/tenis-troubles-irelands-largest-trans-ngo-has-funding-suspended-over-accounting-irregularities