Biological sex, self-ID and rapists

[GreenSunfish]

Hi, I’ve been following the feminist threads on here for a while. I hope I’m not breaking moderator rules as this is my first post. Police Scotland are allowing convicted and charged rapists to be documented as the gender they identify as. This skews data on sex offences and as more than 98% of sex offenders are male it won’t take much to massively impact the data on female sex offenders. This data is used for policy making. The petition is on the Scottish government website under PE1876. If you feel you can sign or share this petition that would be fab. Thank you for reading 👍

There's a link to it on the Petitions and Activism board - which people don't always see so it's good to publicise it.

Scottish Parliament petition on accurately recording the sex of people charged or convicted of rape or attempted rape www.mumsnet.com/Talk/petitions_noticeboard/4264606-Scottish-Parliament-petition-on-accurately-recording-the-sex-of-people-charged-or-convicted-of-rape-or-attempted-rape

Hi ErrolTheDragon, thank you for putting the link in 🙏

Someone also asked them about why they were asking for gender rather than sex in a survey they were doing. It is rather obvious that they are Stonewall Diversity Champions.

twitter.com/laineyathamey/status/1402239405583183878?s=1

"Thank you for your feedback in relation to the way we ask about someone's gender in the Your Police 2021-22 online survey on our Engagement Hub.

We aim to ensure that the way in which we ask equality monitoring questions is as accessible and inclusive as possible. And, importantly, that we only ask questions where it is relevant to do so. For us, this particular question is important so that we are able to ensure our services (in this context, local policing) are relevant, accessible and inclusive for everyone.

We ask someone's gender identity, rather than their biological sex characteristics, because we know that the gender of a person (which may or may not be the same as they were assigned at birth) is a key factor which shapes people's experiences of local policing. Understanding the views and experiences of Scotland's diverse communities is critical for our approach to policing in Scotland.

As a key public service in Scotland, it is vital that we are inclusive to all; including people who are LGBTI, and those who aren't. Having a question which asks about gender identity, rather than biological sex, is part of our inclusive approach. As we don't deliver services where the physical sex characteristics of a person would change how we deliver those services, e.g. health services, we do not need to know someone's biological sex characteristics. What is important, is how they identify their gender. For most people, their biological sex will match the gender identity assigned to them at birth. For people where this is not the case, we want to create an environment where they know that their experiences and views are welcomed and valued.

Best wishes,

Research & Insight Team"

There's also a good piece in the Scotsman about this:

www.scotsman.com/news/politics/petition-launched-for-sex-of-those-charged-with-rape-to-be-recorded-accurately-3264308

In a Freedom of Information Request response sent to MBM in April, Police Scotland stated: “If the male who self-identifies as a woman were to attempt to or to penetrate the vagina, anus or mouth of a victim with their penis, Police Scotland would record this as attempted rape or rape and the male who self-identifies as a woman would be expected to be recorded as a female on relevant police systems.”

Detective Superintendent Fil Capaldi of Police Scotland said: "The sex/gender identification of individuals who come into contact with the police will be based on how they present or how they self-declare, which is consistent with the values of the organisation.

"Police Scotland requires no evidence or certification as proof of biological sex or gender identity other than a person's self-declaration, unless it is pertinent to any investigation with which they are linked as a victim, witness or accused and it is evidentially critical that we legally require this proof, or there is reason for further enquiry based on risk. We would look for the most sensitive way to acquire this information."

So correctly sexing a man who raped is not pertinent to an investigation . Presumably they're not too fussed about searching people of the opposite sex either...

It’s so disrespectful to all women but in particular rape survivors- I wonder if Rape Crisis Scotland will have anything to say now that they have a prominent trans activist as a CEO - just one of many conflicts of interest with that situation!!

sorry for a bit of a derail but one of the things that really struck me when I learnt about the whole situation, was that some rapists/sex offenders were being housed in the female estate , if they declared themselves trans. How will the whole movement from the Sarah Everhard tragedy react if he declares himself trans?

Hopefully not like Lisa Nandy from the Labour Party who would support child rapists being housed in the female estate if they self-ID’d their way in!

They've been recording on self id in England for years.

Sex offenders - males who assaulted women- have been put in with the women with predictable consequences.

OP have you heard of I think it's. Barbie Kardashian?

Or this person.

www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/scottish-news/1492364/transgender-prisoner-tiffany-scott-andrew-burns-dangerous-sheriff/

The two at the end I mention are in Scotland.

Hi NiceGerbil, I had heard of Barbie but not the other charmer. I hope people wake up to this madness sooner rather than later!