Gender on School Form

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My daughter starts school in September, today we received the enrollment form and on it it has gender instead of sex. My husband has said I will be "that parent" if I cross it out and put sex. He is worried that she will be there for 7 years of primary and they will always remember what we did on the form.

What would you do?

We all need to be that parent or that woman . It's standing passively by that has allowed this unrepresentative minority to capture all of our institutions to the extent that Stonewall feel confident in threatening organisations that if they don't remove the word "mother" from maternity policies, they can't claim to be inclusive and have a meaningless award.

BE THAT WOMAN!

I always change gender to sex on forms - there are loads of us being that woman 😆

Excellent OP - I was ‘that’ mother who wrote in an email about the new gender identity lessons. Not received a reply yet, that reminds me…..

I was proud to be "that parent" and crossed out gender and inserted sex.
You have to be the adult in the room for the sake of your children, OP, so good for you. Tell your DH he needs to step up, parenthood is not a popularity contest.

I've also just returned an NHS survey in relation to a trial for Covid testing, that asked me for my "gender". The usual, male, female, other, prefer not to say boxes. I ticked the "other" box and wrote the following: SEX NOT GENDER, YOU IDIOTS. I AM OF THE SEX CLASS FEMALE. HOW DO "GENDER FEELINGS" HELP IN A CLINICAL TRIAL?" A wee bit childish, but I am beyond caring. The NHS is a disgrace for going along with this utter madness, and in adopting it, they have legitimised it and helped it to leech into every other walk of life. How much tax payer's money will be wasted on all the inaccurate and useless data that's been collected these past few years?

Why make a mountain out of a mole hill. Just answer the question on the form.

@Randomo

Why make a mountain out of a mole hill. Just answer the question on the form.

Why change the world accepted definitions of male and female for a meaningless concept based on stereotypes? Just stick to simple accurate language.

(fixed that for you)

@MrsOvertonsWindow

Ive seen this and related topics often pop up, but ive never really understood it (tbf havent really looked into it either)

Could you give me a brief explanation of the difference between gender and sex? (Im guessing sex is from birth but gender is a choice?)

And also briefly explain why sex is the preferred term opposed to gender? (Could a solution be for forms to ask bother gender and sex?)

Why make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I can only assume you are very, very naive to this issue or you’re on the wind up. This is definitely a fucking mountain.

You won’t be the only one.

Schools are obliged to collect data on pupils' gender, which they have to report in the annual school census. They are not obliged to record or report pupils' sex, and I guess most don't.

The management information systems that schools use to record pupil data may not even have a field to record sex: the one I have used (SIMS) certainly doesn't.

Many people probably assume that the word 'gender' is being used as a synonym for sex, as the options in the school census and in systems like SIMS are 'male' and 'female'; however, the DfE guidance shows that this is not the case: it's self-id all the way.

Gender 'should be self-declared and recorded according to the wishes of the parent and / or pupil.

Individuals are free to change the way their gender is recorded. There is no requirement from the department for any legal change or gender recognition certificate and it remains open for the school to amend the gender of any pupil, within their own MIS, at any time.

www.gov.uk/guidance/complete-the-school-census/data-items-2021-to-2022

This really needs to be challenged at a high level. I don't think annotating individual forms is going to have much impact.

@MrsBongiovi

Why make a mountain out of a mole hill.

I can only assume you are very, very naive to this issue or you’re on the wind up. This is definitely a fucking mountain.

Not a windup, but I dont normally read/post on the feminist section....as Ive gotten my head bitten off before.....

@Theeyeballsinthesky

I always change gender to sex on forms - there are loads of us being that woman 😆

Yep, I'm that woman too.

Although I guess if there are lots of us then we would be those women

Not a windup, but I dont normally read/post on the feminist section....as Ive gotten my head bitten off before.....

This isn’t just a feminist issue. It’s a societal issue. Assuming you’re posting in good faith, read, read, read. If you have children, you should be very concerned.

@hallouminatus - your username is utter genius!

I'd kill for some halloumi right now...

Amend it, it’s bullshit

I work in health and we collect data in respect of born sex. If people are putting the opposite it will skew the data, and people are doing just that.
Perhaps we would be better asking sex AND gender.

Another one of those women here, too.
Where they have “other” on electronic forms I tick Other and in the comments box say “My sex is female, gender is irrelevant.”

I changed it on the data form at the start of the year. I did cringe a bit - I am already 'that parent' as my DS has autism and I have had to push to get him support at times - but I am glad I did it. I will do it again this year if it's the same.

I also change everything from gender to sex as I don't prescribe to gender ideas. The school secretary sent me an unexpected email back saying 'changes noted' and the way she has been with me since makes me thinks she agrees .

A chum applied for a post with the NHS recently and this cropped up on the Equalities Monitoring form that was not noticeably separated from the application form. She sent it to me to ask what the terms meant as there wasn't an accompanying glossary

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

A chum applied for a post with the NHS recently and this cropped up on the Equalities Monitoring form that was not noticeably separated from the application form. She sent it to me to ask what the terms meant as there wasn't an accompanying glossary

I put prefer not to say on my most recent job applications that were like this.

[quote JainaSolo]@MrsOvertonsWindow

Ive seen this and related topics often pop up, but ive never really understood it (tbf havent really looked into it either)

Could you give me a brief explanation of the difference between gender and sex? (Im guessing sex is from birth but gender is a choice?)

And also briefly explain why sex is the preferred term opposed to gender? (Could a solution be for forms to ask bother gender and sex?)[/quote]
Medically speaking sex is way more important than gender for example a heart attack presents differently in males and females females don't get prostate cancer both male and female do get breast cancer however its rarer in born males so it wouldn't be the doctors go to despite symptoms saying otherwise

Children should not be forced or coerced into declaring there gender unless and until they wish to do so and even if they choose to do so there birth sex will always be important

I've also started crossing out gender and substituting sex on every form I have to complete for my children. I don't really care if I am "that parent" - I figure even if it makes just one person begin to think, oh why do we put gender when a lot of the time we mean biological sex, then it achieves something. Drip drip

When I went for my Covid jab the form had gender as a tick box. I crossed it out and wrote 'Sex' The GP supervising the jabs asked me about it and told me that's how they record sex. I tried to explain but he really didn't seem to understand. If a GP doesn't understand the difference between sex and gender we are truly buggered!

Gender 'should be self-declared and recorded according to the wishes of the parent and / or pupil.

Individuals are free to change the way their gender is recorded. There is no requirement from the department for any legal change or gender recognition certificate and it remains open for the school to amend the gender of any pupil, within their own MIS, at any time.
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That is the most depressing thing.I have read today..