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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Who’s raking it in?

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AnnaPa · 04/06/2021 10:48

About 15 years ago, I bought some shares in a major pharmaceutical company. It coincided with the growth and then explosion of the cross sex hormone and puberty blocker market, which was helped massively by some very aggressive social media marketing, powerful political support in the USA and the reality show about the most famous trans woman in the western world. The company I invested in also has a huge share of the breast and testicular implant market. Thanks, in part, to the amazing work by British feminists regarding body acceptance and the awareness of the dangers of breast implants, the market for female breast implants was tanking. It didn’t affect my investment as the growth of the trans gender market for both hormones and implants grew dramatically just as the demand for female breast implants was falling. My initial investment continued to grow and to date has made me very wealthy. I didn’t intentionally jump on the trans train and feel horrified at the wealth created by so many who did, knowing exactly what they were and are doing. At some point the wheels will come off and history will judge this, from a pharmacological point of view, as yet another scandal similar to the thalidomide, OxyContin and Valium scandals with another trail of horrifically damaged victims. The TRA movement is an investor’s dream, a misogynists’ dream and a women’s nightmare. The unpaid SJW foot soldiers working so hard in the field and on social media (yes Brunel University, I’m looking at your Marxist Society who, the more they campaign for trans rights at the expense of women’s rights) are helping make the capitalist society they so despise even richer than they could imagine, yet so wrapped up are they in their warped world, they are incapable of seeing the bigger picture and the horrific damage being done to women, the LGB community and people, especially children, with body dysmorphia and other comorbidities. It’s no coincidence that Pfizer made a huge contribution to Pride as, unlike the LGB market, the trans market is where their $$$ come from. Stonewall, Mermaids Gender and many others (Educate and Celebrate deserve a special mention as they’re celebrating all the way to the bank) have absolutely raked in the money from the trans market, hence their hatred for and attempted destruction of the newly formed LGB Alliance.

TRA has infiltrated, at least in the UK, the police, the education system, politics, the medical system, the media and the judiciary. I’m actually out of the UK and that same infiltration has not yet happened but is slowly taking off. There have been some vocal critics who themselves are victims of the trans movement such as the amazing and courageous Kiera Bell and also rational debate from Debbie Hayton, herself a trans woman amongst others. Showing any concern for the medicalization of gender non conforming children and adults or questioning the gender agenda has resulted in careers being lost, reputations being trashed and arrests being made. It’s scary as hell and horrific to watch from afar but my investment continues to grow, just like every other single person who has invested $$ in the most unethical social and medical experiment of our lifetime all helped along by the very willing, paid and unpaid brigade of woke.

I’m a very longtime reader of the FWR pages here and you all deserve acknowledgment, gratitude and respect for being the first group to have had the courage to speak out, starting many years ago, as to what is happening right in front of us. Much love to you all.

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WarOnWoman · 04/06/2021 18:28

@AnnaPa Thank you for the clarification. Understand more where you're coming From now. Smile

AnnaPa · 04/06/2021 18:34

@WarOnWoman Flowers So pleased I could clarify for you.

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ShallIAskHer · 04/06/2021 20:22

I think OP is getting a harder time than she deserves here. I mean, who - at least in the so-called Western World - can truly say that they're not in some way, shape, or form a beneficiary of past and/or current human exploitation?

I most certainly can't! I'm a corporate executive. This is what I do to pay my bills - but, also, a career I'm in because I get to do what I do best every day and what inspires me. And although my own, personal job happens to be concerned mostly with something I'd generally regard as "beneficial for society", my own annual bonus most certainly isn't hurt by the fact that my employer also serves clients that are, perhaps, not exactly net contributors to human happiness. And the corporation I work for is, all things taken into consideration, definitely on the "nice and fluffy" side of the scale, as far as global conglomerates are concerned.

I know this. OP knows she benefits from pharmaceutical corporations medicalising trans people for life. None of this is good stuff.

But, no, we can't all be that pure - at least not without the whole system collapsing. And I'm saying this as someone who actually skews to the left politically and votes against her own economic self-interest.

I try to do good where and when I can. I leverage my position of power to try and help women make it in my very male dominated field, for instance. I try to be a good and decent boss and will somehow find an hour in my schedule to meet with and listen to the concerns of employees, no matter how junior. I recycle and I pay my cleaner more than a living wage, because this is the decent thing to do. I try, to use Google's old motto, not to be evil.

But, short of a revolution (and - sympathetic as I am - empirically speaking, those don't have a stellar track record of creating paradise on earth, either), we live under a system of advanced Western capitalism. Doesn't seem quite fair to expect people, OP included, to play martyr for a cause when it's not as though that's actually going to make anyone else's life better.

hoodathunkit · 04/06/2021 20:24

Thank you so much for your post OP

I believe that it is always important to follow the money trail

An insider perspective is incredibly valuable

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HopeClearwater · 04/06/2021 23:08

What the OP personally invests in does not in any way detract from her argument. She is absolutely correct.

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AnnaPa · 05/06/2021 05:02

@hoodathunkit
Thank you. The money trail is vital to understanding why our rights are being eroded in from of our eyes.

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AnnaPa · 05/06/2021 05:25

@ShallIAskHer

Thank you. Fifteen years ago, I was aware of three trans women; the late Julia Grant and two in the country where I live. It’s been astounding and very worrying to watch the explosion of gender dysphoria and for nobody to be questioning why this is happening let alone question the off shelf use of drugs and surgery being used as treatment. My original post was an attempt to follow the money and see who is financially benefiting from this and who is behind the gender agenda. Social media has played a huge part in spreading the message and controlling the debate to the point that basic biology is being denied. The pharmaceutical companies have a new and very lucrative market and, until recently, any dissenters were silenced. I’m trying to make sense of how we got to this point despite being someone who unwittingly profited from this. A similar analogy would be someone who invested in PPE right before the pandemic struck and profiting from a global tragedy.

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groundcontroltomontydon · 05/06/2021 06:37

Interesting post - thanks op. Slightly OT x2 ... just read in The Times an article about the impact on freedom of expression of a software package used by many universities that allows students to report 'microaggressions' anonymously. The article refers to 'woke capitalism', an expression that really hits the spot. Also I remember watching a programme on diabetes by (I think) Justin Webb which talked about the fact that in the US (where he'd been based) there was no imperative to find a cure because the condition could be controlled by drugs for life. As already stated, it's always important to follow the money trail.

AnnaPa · 05/06/2021 07:51

@groundcontroltomontydon

“Woke capitalism” is exactly what this is. Perfect expression. Because the issue of TRA versus women’s rights is so divisive and very hotly debated on social media/in the media, the interactions and viewing figures are sky high. It’s a ratings winner.

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PumpkinSpiceWoman · 05/06/2021 10:27

The people who are going to be "raking it in" are those running the organisations that the "Christian Right" will gleefully fund.

Sorry, but Helen Staniland let the cat right out of the bag. Ooops.

Waitwhat23 · 05/06/2021 10:32

@pumpkinspicewoman are you still repeating that nonsense? The quality of the arguments from TRA's has always been poor but it's getting quite embarrassing now.

MaudTheInvincible · 05/06/2021 13:22

'Ooops'

Omfg 🤣

WarriorN · 05/06/2021 16:51

Thanks for explaining some things about following the money despite the unpalatablness ; I didn't know about the breast implant factor.

Could medical issues with implants have also caused worry about getting them?

I wonder if increasing knowledge about longer term effects will help to curb the tide.

Someone mentioned here that a professional in a Nordic country has been describing increasing numbers of young women seeking fertility treatment after being on pbs when they were younger, for gd. Due to damaged ovaries.

The problem is that a yp set on full medicalisation with an industry of support, is unlikely to heed any long term medical worries.

AdHominemNonSequitur · 05/06/2021 17:41

@PumpkinSpiceWoman

The people who are going to be "raking it in" are those running the organisations that the "Christian Right" will gleefully fund.

Sorry, but Helen Staniland let the cat right out of the bag. Ooops.

Christian right, alt right, blah blah blah. Snore. Incorrect, predictable, tedious deflection. Helen Staniland was being sarcastic you numpty.

Even supposing there were links between GC orgs and right wing groups, which is preposterous beyond both agreeing sex is real, how do you suppose the Christian right are going to profit from opposing genderism? Recycling rainbow flags into chastity belts?

Great post OP. Follow the money alright,and your insider insight as an investor is powerful testimony.

Pharma are obviously all about the profit. They need regulation but it isn't inherently bad. Without financial motivation we wouldn't have half the pharmaceutical innovation we currently benefit from. The ethics, checks and balances need to be externally imposed. We shouldn't allow hormonal and surgical body modification to be incentivised to this degree.

FannyCann · 05/06/2021 18:17

pumpkinspicewoman are you still repeating that nonsense? The quality of the arguments from TRA's has always been poor but it's getting quite embarrassing now.

Not having recognised the poster I had assumed the previous post was a joke! ConfusedGrin

FannyCann · 05/06/2021 18:18

Someone mentioned here that a professional in a Nordic country has been describing increasing numbers of young women seeking fertility treatment after being on pbs when they were younger, for gd. Due to damaged ovaries.*

It was mentioned on a WHRC webinar last week.

Another reason why the surrogacy industry is being pushed.

WarriorN · 05/06/2021 20:12

Ah thanks, any further details?

Another reason why the surrogacy industry is being pushed. oh Sad

FannyCann · 05/06/2021 20:27

The WHRC webinars are brilliant, they have some great speakers from around the world, it's really inspiring. They post them on YouTube later.

I think this is the relevant link. It was the talk by Kasja Emmanuel who is so impressive. Though she didn't refer to the surrogacy industry, that was my contribution of joining the dots. Wink

FannyCann · 05/06/2021 20:42

And on the subject of pharmaceuticals don't let's forget the huge profits to be made from infertility/IVF/surrogacy.

Who’s raking it in?
WarriorN · 05/06/2021 21:07

Thanks for that Fanny.

Is there a follow the money thread?

I feel like I've read a lot a while ago by someone knowledgeable elsewhere and it might be worth collecting info together.

(I'm sure there was even something about the Wachowskis, and links to something but please don't quote me!)

WarriorN · 05/06/2021 21:18

Here's an example.

It's not pharmaceutical companies as per the op but these big donations to clinics help everything move along.

4thwavenow.com/2016/07/11/follow-the-money-trans-billionaire-makes-new-1-million-grant-to-chicago-pediatric-transition-clinic/

FannyCann · 05/06/2021 21:19

Just noticed autocorrect gave Kasja Emmanuel when it is Kajsa Ekman.

Autocorrect is sometimes more trouble than it's worth. Confused

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