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The absolute state of this! Feminist women are literally Hitler in lipstick.

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OvaHere · 03/06/2021 18:14

Straight out of the MRA playbook I present you this...

twitter.com/IRR_News/status/1400462894349705218

The absolute state of this! Feminist women are literally Hitler in lipstick.
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OldCrone · 04/06/2021 10:22

Your side, the "gender criticals", produced the image.

Are you saying that feminists were behind the campaign against 'feminazis'?

In 2019, a conservative Catholic Spanish group launched a bus campaign against 'Feminazis' with an image of lipstick-wearing Hitler, as a protest against sexist laws on domestic violence, demanding that laws are made gender-neutral.

You seem a bit confused.

OvaHere · 04/06/2021 10:23

Your side, the "gender criticals", produced the image.

No. It originated with MRA's (men's rights activists) to attack women, hence the use of 'feminazi'. Women don't call ourselves 'feminazi's'. The author of this piece and orgs like Mermaids who praise it are aligning themselves with the anti women right wing by replicating their language and imagery.

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2old4thissite · 04/06/2021 10:24

@Thelnebriati

Is it Hitler? I assumed it was Goering.
Surely it should be Goebbels?Smile Whistles WW2 ditty
OldCrone · 04/06/2021 10:25

You could consider not throwing in your lot with the far right.

Who has done that? You don't seem to understand much about what's going on. Here's a thread to help.

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3145470-Break-it-down-for-me?

WoolOfBat · 04/06/2021 10:25

I still think it is completely ok if Hitler was trans and wanted to wear lipstick. Isn’t that what mermaids are trying to tell us?

And why not?

GoldenOmber · 04/06/2021 10:27

Yes, you are. Hope that helps.

Can you actually explain why, though? Genuinely asking here: can you set out why you think that?

Because I really am not a right-winger, let alone a fan of the far-right, by any degree. And I think it’s always worth asking, ‘am I sure I’m correct about this?’ for anything I support. So I am more than happy to re-examine my own position, on this, on anything.

But I can’t see why not believing in a universal inherent ‘gender identity’, and thinking that this identity is/should be more politically and socially significant than biological sex, would make me part of the far-right. I really can’t see it. If you can, I’m genuinely asking you to explain.

StrangeLookingParasite · 04/06/2021 10:32

@OvaHere

Your side, the "gender criticals", produced the image.

No. It originated with MRA's (men's rights activists) to attack women, hence the use of 'feminazi'. Women don't call ourselves 'feminazi's'. The author of this piece and orgs like Mermaids who praise it are aligning themselves with the anti women right wing by replicating their language and imagery.

So our 'side' whatever your simplistic interpretation makes that' , didn't produce the image then.

You really need to stop lying.

Zeev · 04/06/2021 10:56

You could consider not throwing in your lot with the far right. Just a thought.

Did you know that grown ups can have nuanced opinions about different things, without resorting to tribalist groupthink?

AsTreesWalking · 04/06/2021 14:21

Call out to Delirium for a great play in 'replace one word of the title'!

Alicethruthelookingglass · 04/06/2021 18:45

They sent up a bat signal there.

I wouldn't want to hashtag the actual Nazis like this.

Then again, on further consideration, carry on...

midgedude · 04/06/2021 18:52

I really don't see how gender critical is aligned with the far right

The one wants to scrap gender restrictions, the other enforces them

hoodathunkit · 04/06/2021 19:33

There is a fair amount of evidence suggesting that Hitler was exclusively into what is now known as "kink".

Did he cross-dress? Maybe he did, maybe he didn't.

I don't have a problem with what consenting adults do in private, however I don't think that using an image of Hitler wearing lipstick in any way validates the bizarre theory that being gender critical is far-right.

On the contrary, the far-right have historically cherished beliefs about elite special people whith supernatural abilities to change reality by using the power of thoughts and words. This is what rituals are. The Nazis loved their occult rituals more than seagulls love fish and chips.

hoodathunkit · 04/06/2021 19:35

A psychoalalyst provides an opinion

I had to include this as the Hitler image resonated. Similar shade of lippy

InspiralCoalescenceRingdown · 04/06/2021 19:48

The TRAs are so desperate, they're just flinging around wild accusations that don't even make any sense now.

GNCQ · 04/06/2021 21:42

I'm absolutely loving how feminists now apparently proudly represent themselves using an image of Hitler in pink lipstick. I mean yes, that simply epitomises Feminism to a T.

(Just in case sarcasm is lost in translation the above is in fact sarcastic)...

Deliriumoftheendless · 04/06/2021 21:51

No right wingers, but we do get some right whingers popping up with a telling off.

ScreamingMeMe · 04/06/2021 21:59

"WE didn't call you feminazis: your side, which is the far right, did that."

Hahahhahahhaaaaaaaa! They really don't see it, do they?!

littlebillie · 04/06/2021 22:23

Godwin's Law again 🙄

Blibbyblobby · 05/06/2021 01:09

gender critical’ feminists are propelling biological arguments that essentialise sex and its relation to gender identity, contending that sex is purely biological depending on what reproductive organs you have. Their arguments amount to a fundamentalist approach to biology

The thing trans ideology misses - one of the contradictions at its heart that undermines the whole thing, is even if it were true that somehow for thousands of years humans have misunderstood what a woman is and actually a whole bunch of male-bodied people should have been classified as women all along, it doesn't follow that women by the new definition have any claim on stuff that was created for women by the old definition.

Because what they miss, what they get utterly arse-backwards, is that women's stuff wasn't set up for the word Women, but for the people that word described.

So even if that definition of a women is fundamentally wrong for some pure conception of a woman, it still described a group of people who have something material and real in common, and even if it were true that thing wasn't, as we thought, womanhood but something else, the commonality exists and continues to exist whatever we label it as or even if we don't label it at all.

And if you move the word Woman to cover a different group, what you have is a new group people that is called Woman for different reasons than the old group. Different people. Even if they really are Women because we better understand what a woman is, it does not justify their claim to anything set up with reference to the old group that used to be called Women because the error that excluded trans women from being recognised as women also meant that no Women's spaces, laws, provisions and support were set up to include the needs and risks of trans women, because at the time those things were created trans women were not part of the group called women.

And that means for trans ideology to be consistent in its claim that the definition of woman needs to change to include trans women, it cannot then demand that trans women should just be lumped into everything that already exists for Women because all those things were created using a definition of Women that trans ideology itself rejects.

They can't have it both ways.

If one accepts the assertion that trans women are just another variation of women but one that has been missed out of the old definition of Woman, one is unavoidably also accepting that the old definition of Woman was wrong, and therefore the only thing that makes logical sense is to throw all the old Women's stuff out and rebuild from the ground up based on the needs and risks of this new group of people called Women and not the old group, taking account of this new level of variation within the group.

And at the same time, regardless of how you label them, the group that used to be called Women still exist and are the only ones with a legitimate claim to existing Women's spaces, laws, provisions and support, because that was all set up under the old definition of Woman.

Rejoiningperson · 05/06/2021 01:20

This is quite mixed up / confusing / ironic imagery. Is he trans? Is he a trans right wing feminist with lipstick? What is feminist about lipstick?

But on the serious side, isn’t it offensive to be using Hitler in any context considering the terrible history he represents, and not to be trivialized or played with to make points. If it indeed comes from feminism then it shouldn’t have been used then or now.

TriteMale · 05/06/2021 02:13

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midgedude · 05/06/2021 08:09

They miss the point that although we think sex is pretty fundamental we don't want it tied to any gender identity at all

We are not forcing any gender on anyone

But we refuse to deny sex

Freespeecher · 05/06/2021 16:09

hoodathunkit

I'd always understood that he was more of a Scat Man (though not like the 90s hit. Jeez, just imagine the accompanying video).

Freespeecher · 05/06/2021 16:16

I see they also got 'fundamentalist' in there, which I suspect they may fall back to when they back off from associating their opponents with Adolf & Chums.

Would work quite well too, due to the negative associations with various other 'fundamentalist' groups and it can reasonably be argued that GC Feminism is indeed fundamentalist as it seeks to get down to brass tacks when it comes to using biology to determine sex (as opposed to their opponents who are fundamentalist in the sense they speak out of their posteriors).

May take a while though as, even if they back off from Nazis, they'll spend quite some time on 'fascists', followed by alt/far/hard right.

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