Can anyone explain how this is not homophobic?

[SapphosRock]

Because I have taken from this video that lesbian and gay adoption or lesbians using donor sperm is the epitome of all that is wrong with the world.

vimeo.com/558633077

This is no lesbian ally.

Why don't you link to the full video? Rather than the few seconds you've chosen to to pick out, which seems to be a trend with the other carefully chosen snippets you've uploaded.

Nobody who adopts is biologically related to the child, not just same sex attracted people, unless it's a family adoption.

Lesbians using donor sperm will either have one or both related to the child as either one will have provided the egg, they might have done reciprocal IVF so one provides the egg that the other carries or the donor might be a relation of the non carrying partner.

Whatever point you're trying to make, I don't think this clip makes it.

I'd also like to see the video/story Posie is talking about, because I've seen quite a few describing different families and there are a couple which very much give the impression that families with trans members or families with gay/lesbian parents are better than a traditional family. Which I'm assuming is what Posie is talking about. Pushing the idea that a family with some sort of "different" element is better than a traditional family isnt ok (just like it isnt ok to say a traditional family is better than a family with lesbian parents etc).
No family style is better or worse than another. But as you've only given a fee seconds, we cant see what Posie says in full or what she is actually criticising.

Also plenty of heterosexual couples have IVF with donor eggs or donor embryos.

Whatever point she is trying to make is not possible to glean from this clip and I haven't seen the kids TV episode to which she is referring so can't comment on that either.

The fact you are only talking about adoption and donor sperm in relation to lesbians makes you sound a little homophobic. Come over to the conception and donor conception boards and see what variety of people are trying to conceive in all manner of ways.

You're being extremely disingenuous.

It's very clear even from the out of context snippet that you posted that she is talkimg about that ridiculous Blue's Clues video for preschoolers, and the fact that the last 'family' presented in the parade is a bunch of characters with the explanation 'some people choose their family'.

Which has fuck all to do with gay adoption or IVF, as you well know, and is a clear reference to the cultish tendency of some 'activist' types to groom vulnerable children into viewing their concerned (perhaps minded to take a watchful waiting approach) parents as hateful, phobic or abusive, and to encourage them to view unrelated adults as their "new family".

I didn't hear her say any of that in that vimeo clip.

Personally I think adoption is a very noble way to build a family, whatever the adoptive parents' sexuality. The more desperate children who can be rehomed, the better.

But I do think there are ethical issues with conception via donated gametes. Egg donation is a hard no from me. Sperm donation i feel less strongly about, but there are still ethical questions. Again, that's regardless of the sexuality of those who will be raising the baby.

The Venus Rising podcast is very interesting on this.

Ok so I've watched it. I expect she's referring to people choosing their family and perhaps she's concerned about encouraging children to 'choose' family and endorsing finding an online family that don't necessarily have their best interests or safeguarding at heart. Pure speculation.

www.today.com/popculture/blue-s-clues-releases-lgbtq-themed-sing-along-video-pride-t220295

The lyrics are pretty poor IMHO but I can't get too riled up by it. I don't like the use of the word queer for toddlers when there is still debate about whether it's a slur.

It mostly made me eye roll that apart from having two mommies or two daddies that there wasn't really much to say about anyone else except their identity and what colour their flag is.

Good grief Sapphos, you appear to be obsessed with PP. Have you really been combing through her back catalogue to find out of context titbits to prove something or other?

I'd thought better of you, frankly.

Funny how it's always a snippet or screenshot, and an insinuation. You'd think if what she said was actually terrible, we'd get a link to the whole thing. Funny that.

I'm not linking to the whole thing, I'm sure people can find it if they Google it. I also haven't watched the whole thing, the clip is literally the first two minutes of the video. There is no context other than her being appalled at a cartoon depiction of LGBT families.

@bitheby

Ok so I've watched it. I expect she's referring to people choosing their family and perhaps she's concerned about encouraging children to 'choose' family and endorsing finding an online family that don't necessarily have their best interests or safeguarding at heart. Pure speculation.

www.today.com/popculture/blue-s-clues-releases-lgbtq-themed-sing-along-video-pride-t220295

The lyrics are pretty poor IMHO but I can't get too riled up by it. I don't like the use of the word queer for toddlers when there is still debate about whether it's a slur.

It mostly made me eye roll that apart from having two mommies or two daddies that there wasn't really much to say about anyone else except their identity and what colour their flag is.

Thanks for linking to the video. I've just watched it with my kids and they loved it.

'Hey, families with two mummies. That's like our family!' From my excited DD.

Have shared with the local rainbow family WhatsApp group and Facebook page.

Feeling much less cross now about PP's homophobia now. Grateful that PP brought the lovely video to my attention.

If you're not worried about context getting in the way of your agenda, post the whole thing.

I think this is obviously a subject that is very close to your heart, but you have managed to extrapolate something that really isn't there. However your point does show why it is not possible to have any discussions about surrogacy as it is immediately deemed homophobic.

Surrogacy is a completely different thing as women's bodies are exploited.

And yes the acceptance of and celebration of alternative families is very close to my heart.

You're reading something into what Posie said that really isn't there. She works very closely with lesbian feminists. I don't agree with everything she has to say but I would never accuse her of homophobia.

I am really concerned about children being groomed online by adults who tell them that they can't trust their families and should trust them instead. I think any right minded person should be. I think it's a stretch that toddlers watching the parade video will make that leap or that anyone else will do but that's all that Posie will have been talking about.

Lots of gay people choose their family after being rejected by their biological family. Often it's due to religion. It's dreadful that families are rejecting their children for any reason in this day and age.

I also don't think any toddlers will be damaged or corrupted by the cartoon. They won't have a concept of what a drag Queen is, but they will have a concept of smiley, happy families who love each other.

I'm not a fan of some of Posie's views on adoption. I think she can come across as ignorant and tactless at best; although when I questioned her about it she was insistent that she wasn't anti-adoption generally or opposed to gay adoption.

From that very short clip I did not get that she was criticising gay parents, I presumed it was about some of the stuff which is pushed around 'chosen families'.

If you don't think she's well intentioned, fair enough, you aren't the only one. Personally I reserve my energy for those more overtly bigoted- there are sadly plenty of them attacking women all the time.