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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Small Result - I have pushed back on pronouns

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AffronttoPronouns · 02/06/2021 16:48

So my (large/global) employer have corporate logos, brandings, templates etc., including for the email signature template which had a line for pronouns, along side name, job title, company logo.

The pronouns policy would have proliferated and became company policy by default/stealth just from employees' use of the central corporate template. The template came with a guide for pronouns but did not say whether it was mandatory, encouraged, or optional. The pronouns line was just there in the signature, embedded, as if it is endorsed by the company. Internal FB discussions have since clarified that pronouns are optional, much to the disappointment of many who wanted to 'be kind', 'be inclusive' and encourage a 'safe environment'. Feeling (tentatively) emboldened by the recent news wrt Atonewall, I wrote to the group looking after corporate branding , who then added a line into the guide to say that use of pronouns in email signatures is entirely optional. This is what I wrote:

'I noticed that the latest company email signature template has embedded into it a line for pronouns, alongside the Job Title and the company logo. However, preferred pronouns are Optional not mandatory nor compelled/pressured .....Given that pronouns on emails are optional, there should be available two email signature template options, one with pronoun and one without.

The pronouns write up should make it explicitly clear that it is optional, at the moment it is silent on this.

My concern is that pronouns would become the Company policy by default, as it is embedded in the template as if it is mandatory/compulsory (with similar level of company endorsement as the logo itself).

This is potentially problematic and there are issues with highlighting the sender’s sex, and hence further perpetuating unconscious bias against women (especially in this male dominated environment). It could also potentially be seen as the company endorsing Atonewall’s approach on pronouns, and the latest news is that this activist group is under criticism for potentially misrepresenting the Law, and many companies are currently distancing themselves from the (once well respected) organisation.'

I hope I don't get into trouble. I would have liked to see 2 versions of email signatures, but having a sentence to say it is optional is still a small win I think.

Do we think the tide is finally turning, or will it get worse before it gets better?

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Notagain20 · 02/06/2021 16:49

Nice one! 👍💪

Soontobe60 · 02/06/2021 16:51

Excellent email, it’s to the point, legally correct and just plain common sense.

Shedbuilder · 02/06/2021 16:51

Well done. I'm sure the tide is turning. I see more an more people emboldened to take a stand.

Notagain20 · 02/06/2021 16:56

I've also pointed out at work this week that Stonewall advice has been found to be inaccurate, and referenced the Essex uni report. I don't think our diversity person is movable, too much koolaid, but others just aren't informed and have assumed that anything OK with Stonewall was good practice. I can understand that, SW have been able to trade on their good name for too long.

AffronttoPronouns · 02/06/2021 17:05

@Notagain20 Problem with these Diversity people is not only the koolaid they drank, it's that it's their jobs at stake.

I was going to post onto the public company FB, but definitely felt unsafe, and decided to email the brand person instead, but had no idea if he was going to go into woke/outraged mode. It played out just as I would expect for a work email - professional and informal.

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Notagain20 · 02/06/2021 17:07

A brilliant win, well done

Alonelonelylonersbadidea · 02/06/2021 17:40

Fantastic! Every win counts!

Leafstamp · 02/06/2021 18:16

Well done OP, this is a great result. I love hearing about these small but significant acts. Thank you for sharing.

HollowTalk · 02/06/2021 18:19

That's fantastic - congratulations.

alexyyy · 02/06/2021 18:23

Brilliant - well done! We have optional pronouns where I work and I have declined to use them, but that is as far as I have dared to go.

ShowerOfShite · 02/06/2021 18:56

Well done 👍👍

partyatthepalace · 02/06/2021 19:12

Good for you and great email

BreatheAndFocus · 02/06/2021 19:16

Well done! Polite and clear email and a great result.

Keepithidden · 02/06/2021 19:18

"Problem with these Diversity people is not only the koolaid they drank, it's that it's their jobs at stake. "

Out of interest, why would they lose their jobs? There's plenty of other characteristics that require general prejudice to be tackled - sexism, racism etc. aren't done deals unfortunately.

Keepithidden · 02/06/2021 19:18

Forgot to say, well done OP!

scaredsadandstuck · 02/06/2021 19:21

Good work OP🙂

AffronttoPronouns · 02/06/2021 20:09

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AffronttoPronouns · 02/06/2021 20:14

Thanks mumsnet.🙏

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JoodyBlue · 02/06/2021 20:20

Nice email and important to stand and say what you did Flowers

ArabellaScott · 02/06/2021 21:30

fantastic, OP, very well done!

ChiefClerkDrumknott · 02/06/2021 21:35

Excellent work, well done

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 02/06/2021 21:41

Well done OP.

Heneage · 02/06/2021 21:43

Round of applause for you, OP

Tootingbec · 02/06/2021 21:50

Nice work OP.

I also pointed out to someone in charge of an anti bullying policy during a meeting that they had used "gender" instead of "sex" in the list of protected characteristics. I calmly stated that gender is not a protected characteristic - sex and gender re-assignment are however.......

The way to fight this bullshit is via laws and policies - something I took from Helen Lewis's book Difficult Women.

DdraigGoch · 03/06/2021 04:33

@Keepithidden

"Problem with these Diversity people is not only the koolaid they drank, it's that it's their jobs at stake. "

Out of interest, why would they lose their jobs? There's plenty of other characteristics that require general prejudice to be tackled - sexism, racism etc. aren't done deals unfortunately.

Because filling in Stonewall submissions is so onerous that it is basically a full time job. If a company decided to stop being a Stonewall Champion then that person would have little to do.
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