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Arty Morty

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Wandawomble · 28/05/2021 07:30

mobile.twitter.com/artymortyarty?locale=tr

youtube.com/c/ArtyMorty

If you’ve watched any of the Mess We Are In videos you’ll know who Arty is. If not, check him out.

He’s a thoughtful gay Canadian who is so reasonable and does a series of videos himself that are informative and really clearly explain various aspects of the debate about women’s spaces, children’s safety, LGB etc.

He’s worth a mention here as he’s reassuring and thoughtful, worth listening to, and like Helen Staniland, a breath of fresh air and a voice of calm and reason during times that feel painful and invasive for women.

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risefromyourgrave · 28/05/2021 07:34

I love Arty, he seems so thoughtful, and he obviously genuinely cares about the issues he talks about.

WeeTorag · 28/05/2021 07:34

Great share. I LOVE Arty. He's one of the most articulate people I've ever heard talking about this subject. Like you say, he's thoughtful and also kind with the language he uses but nails every issue clearly. I love his take and analyses. The Mess We're in is brilliant. One of the few chats I watch live.

BluePorchAwning · 28/05/2021 07:35

Totally agree. I think Arty is great.

I've also discovered King Critical who is another GC YouTuber:

www.youtube.com/c/KingArPharaz%C3%B4n/videos

JoodyBlue · 28/05/2021 07:41

Agreed.

PatsArrow · 28/05/2021 08:28

I adore Arty. He's not only really witty but has an amazing knack of being able to illustrate an idea with new metaphors -

Like his describing Girl Guiding Safeguarding being like having a massive iron door, triple locked and triple bolted but next to it having a flimsy garden trellis with flowers on to walk straight through.

I also love his term "friendly unawares" for people who aren't at fault for not knowing about this all this stuff.

PatsArrow · 28/05/2021 08:29

He also wrote a great article for Lesbian and Gay news a few weeks ago

twitter.com/artymortyarty/status/1380589852467605510?s=21

vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 28/05/2021 08:57

His observation that it is hypermasculine men who come out as trans women struck me as an obvious truth.

All those ex-military, ex-boxer, ex-any-activity-or-job-that-requires-brawn AGPs? As he said, "it's never the figure skaters". Where are the transwomen who were dancers or acrobats or cheerleaders? I've certainly never heard of any, but I also hadn't noticed that.

So, thanks, Arty.

TedImgoingmad · 28/05/2021 09:21

Another thumbs up for Arty from me. He did an excellent interview with "billboard guy", who had recently been beaten up by trans rights supporters, while the police looked on.

TedImgoingmad · 28/05/2021 09:23

Canada has gone from being somewhere I would love to live to being terrifying in my mind. I think Arty is incredibly brave to be so visible and so vocal. I hope he stays safe.

NecessaryScene1 · 28/05/2021 10:45

He's such a softy. It's clear he's got so much empathy for all the people caught up in this.

And he's smack in the middle of it too - not only is he in Canada, he works (or worked?) at some sort of LGBT bar too.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 28/05/2021 11:38

As he said, "it's never the figure skaters". Where are the transwomen who were dancers or acrobats or cheerleaders? I've certainly never heard of any, but I also hadn't noticed that.

As you say - a well-observed point. And now he's said that, there's an area where 'no longer competitive in the male event' transitioner could clean up - figure skating or pair skating.

TedImgoingmad · 28/05/2021 12:30

NecessaryScene1 He definitely is still working at the bar. He had to leave a recent Mess We're In a little early, to go on his shift there. I actually gasped when he said it, just wanted to tell him to stay home where it's safe!

Abhannmor · 28/05/2021 18:50

@TedImgoingmad

Canada has gone from being somewhere I would love to live to being terrifying in my mind. I think Arty is incredibly brave to be so visible and so vocal. I hope he stays safe.
God yes. I used to think I'd live there in a heartbeat , if I won the lottery of course. No longer. Stay safe Morty. I love the way he and Helen calm Graham down he he's ' goin' mad Ted' Wink
NecessaryScene1 · 28/05/2021 19:04

The Mess We're In trio works really well. It's a shame Benji left - she's fab, but the new line-up is possibly better balanced.

You've got Graham, who's all passion and outrage at the ridiculous injustice, Arty who's all love but can articulate all the theory too, and Helen with her no-nonsense "come out and say it" or "this is all bollocks, isn't it" approach.

PatsArrow · 28/05/2021 19:20

@NecessaryScene1

The Mess We're In trio works really well. It's a shame Benji left - she's fab, but the new line-up is possibly better balanced.

You've got Graham, who's all passion and outrage at the ridiculous injustice, Arty who's all love but can articulate all the theory too, and Helen with her no-nonsense "come out and say it" or "this is all bollocks, isn't it" approach.

Agree with all this.

I really enjoy when they've all had one or two drinks, although Helen can get out of control 😂. I love that Graham can hardly contain everything he wants to say.
Graham and Arty discussing the the idea of 'tiered reality' the other week was fascinating.

WeeTorag · 28/05/2021 20:47

@PatsArrow

I adore Arty. He's not only really witty but has an amazing knack of being able to illustrate an idea with new metaphors -

Like his describing Girl Guiding Safeguarding being like having a massive iron door, triple locked and triple bolted but next to it having a flimsy garden trellis with flowers on to walk straight through.

I also love his term "friendly unawares" for people who aren't at fault for not knowing about this all this stuff.

The steel door/garden trellis analogy was brilliant, one of my Arty favourites actually. It was so "visual" and perfectly put.
JustcameoutGC · 28/05/2021 21:37

Oh isn't he fab! I hadn't made the connection between post modernism and gender bollocks, that is something I will poke about in a bit more. At least there is some basis for this magical thinking, even if it is totally shonky. At least it is not entirely a load of people entirely making shit up and the rest of the world going along.

Galvantula · 28/05/2021 22:36

He also did an episode of "Gender a Wider Lens" podcast with Stella O' Malley and Sasha Ayad. 👍

They have a great episode on queer theory which helped me understand it and are currently discussing how they handle therapy with young clients with gender issues.

BraveBananaBadge · 29/05/2021 21:03

Another Arty fan here!

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Wandawomble · 30/05/2021 11:05

Husband is an Arty fan too, I think because Arty compassionately and wisely lays it out with no animosity, just a genuine care for people - children, women, men and train people, whilst pointing out the bad faith players who push the ideological side.

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Wandawomble · 30/05/2021 11:07

Train people? I meant he’s respectful towards trans people but I’m sure that Arty would be respectful towards train spotters too as long as they weren’t violently derailing Thomas the Tank Engine.

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MishyJDI · 30/05/2021 11:29

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria

His observation that it is hypermasculine men who come out as trans women struck me as an obvious truth.

All those ex-military, ex-boxer, ex-any-activity-or-job-that-requires-brawn AGPs? As he said, "it's never the figure skaters". Where are the transwomen who were dancers or acrobats or cheerleaders? I've certainly never heard of any, but I also hadn't noticed that.

So, thanks, Arty.

There is a reason for that. And it is because the sort of abuse trans people get being themselves means many are not comfortable expressing their trans identity. So they try and suppress it by being uber masculine thinking that will help them be a "real man", and trans will disappear.

The thing is, it apparently doesn't. At some stage their true nature will challenge them (often by gender dysphoria) and drag them to where they are meant to be.

In short, its a defence mechanism due to an intolerant society for trans people. Someone who has not lived through it, is just not going to get it, whether they are gay or not.

It's why you see a lot of trans male to female coming from hyper masculine environments. They were attempting to delude society and themselves to their true nature, which eventually catches up.

Hope that helps.....

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Wandawomble · 30/05/2021 11:43

In which case expanding the bandwidth of what it means to be male is the answer surely rather than saying that you are the opposite sex and demanding that women give up the words they use to define themselves? Someone who has not been born and lived as a biological woman is just not going to get it whether they imagine they do or not.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 30/05/2021 13:07

Nah, Mishy that doesn't make sense. If it was innate and suppressed by negative messaging and bullying then we'd see people transitioning from all walks of life, all ages and both sexes.

That isn't what is happening. Where are the effeminate men who transition - if they truly have fewer barriers why don't we see lots of less hyper-masculine men transitioning in their 50s? I don't see it, I see men who are comfortable with being flamboyant and masculine who are not seeking life long medical care to manage their inner distress.

For that matter, if it is innate and people live a life of suppressing their gender then where are the late-transitioning trans men? I don't know of a single woman in her 50s who shocked her family by announcing that she was transitioning. There don't seem to be any male husbands wondering what happens to their marriage now that they are married to a man.

Curious, isn't it?

The stats, if we kept any, would, I think, show that the increase in people seeking help for their gender are young female people and older male people. There are hardly even any young male people at GICs now, and no older female people.

What would be helpful would be some research into the demographics of this group. Sadly, many trans people didn't fill out the census accurately so we have no idea about where to start with providing services for this population.

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