It's wrong to erase women for the rights of others - Suzanne Moore

[stumbledin]

So, again, we are treading water over the tiny minority of people who are trans – yet Stonewall has made this its entire raison d’être. On Twitter, it blocks any gay person who challenges this. There is one line and one line only. And its line on all this is that debate denies trans people’s existence.
But can men be considered women because they just feel like it? Can men be lesbians? Can men go on lesbian dating sites? Can men go into women’s spaces?
For an organisation that has ‘L’ in its remit, it seems lesbians have been completely thrown under the bus – www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/10/08/trans-activist-witch-hunt-against-academics-threatens-whole/ like the black barrister Alison Bailey. The kind of women one would think this organisation was set to support are now somehow the enemy.
What fresh hell is this? Well, it’s not fresh at all, is it? What happens when women say no to men? They refuse to hear it.
What is really being denied in any sense is that women get to set their own boundaries. For many gay women, this feels like gay rights, their rights, are being dragged backwards, not forwards.
Many of those questioning Stonewall policies are the lesbians who fought harder against Section 28 than anyone I knew. Stonewall belonged to them because it said it did not matter what your sexual orientation was, you deserved equality.
Sure, let’s all be free to be with those we choose to be free with. Yet I would like Stonewall to continue to fight the good fight for people attracted to the same sex. It’s not won yet.
I would also like it to register what it finds so difficult – that, for many women, the freedom to be means the freedom to say no.

(This is just an extract of a much longer article so hope it doesn't get deleted because someone thinks it is the whole article)
www.telegraph.co.uk/columnists/2021/05/25/wrong-erase-women-rights-others/

Just posting this as it is another article about what is happening to Stonewall, but again a right wing one.

And it focuses on women.

But still the silence from most media outlets.

Thank you for posting it, stumbledin

Yes the silence from the Guardian, Independent...

I am so tired of this.

99.99999% of the world knows what man and woman are. I would imagine that from the get go when we first started talking. Man woman girl boy baby mother would have been some of the first words. With food etc.

I doubt there is a language in the world that doesn't have those words.

It's rubbish and I've had enough.

How the fuck have we got to the point in the last 5 years or so that the word woman means nothing.

That the word mother is problematic.

That girls should be described as menstruators.

That I am a person with a cervix.

No one in general society even knows about this.

Rapists in women's prisons. I mean for fucks sake.

The whole thing is. Unimaginable. But it's happened and done.

I think when the general public find out there will be a serious problem.

There needs to be Public Inquiry into the funding and activities of Stonewall.

"I would also like it [Stonewall] to register what it finds so difficult – that, for many women, the freedom to be means the freedom to say no."

good question by Suzanne in response to the new Stonewall slogan 'Free to be'

(At least it's not 'Acceptance without exception' anymore.)

Sit in on a call at ChildLine or Samaritans and you will hear terribly distressed people who are being persecuted, bullied, made homeless or rejected because of their sexuality. It is not easy.

The conversion therapy consultation in September needs to look at WHO represents the needs of LGB children and pre-lesbian and pre-gay children. Because it's not those 'LGBT' groups who call same-sex attraction hateful and bigoted. or remain silent about trans the gay away.

Archive of the article here:

archive.ph/uDaif

Latest threats to Suzanne Moore on Twitter.

suzanne moore @suzanne_moore
So @TwitterSupport he is still going. How is this OK? Threats of all kinds to me, death, arrest, prison. When are you going to act? Why is Twitter such an unsafe place for women?
twitter.com/suzanne_moore/status/1397479825342881797

I think when the general public find out there will be a serious problem.

The problem is most of the public is now aware in one way or another, partly because tv and radio have bought into the rainbow agenda.

And by and large most of the poputation (ncluding women) dont put women's rights very high on the agenda.

In some ways the trans agenda has been so sucessful is because it is such a great platform for TRAs.

And it doesn't help that only right wing paper and Christians ever seem to publicly support the right of women to define themselves.

There was an article in the Guardian today but it basically lumped in GC feminists nits with racists , and people who are annoyed because Dr Who is a woman.

In sorry not nits.

@MoonlightApple, can you link to the article, please? Thanks

sorry silly typo:

In some ways the trans agenda has been so sucessful is because it is such a great platform for TRAs.

TRAs should of course be MRAs.

@NiceGerbil

I am so tired of this.

99.99999% of the world knows what man and woman are. I would imagine that from the get go when we first started talking. Man woman girl boy baby mother would have been some of the first words. With food etc.

I doubt there is a language in the world that doesn't have those words.

It's rubbish and I've had enough.

This with bells and whistles!

Makes me think those children forced to lie that mommy is really daddy or vice versa.