How society makes women regret drinking more than women

[ScreamingMeMe]

Quite interesting (And I miss the 90s!)

AS A CULTURE IN THE WESTERN WORLD, WE BLAME WOMEN. WE TEND TO SEE DRUNK WOMEN AS 'SLOPPY'. WE SEE A MAN WHO DRINKS A LOT AS A BON VIVANT... GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE A LOT MORE FORGIVING WHEN IT COMES TO MEN.

ANN DOWSETT JOHNSTON

www.refinery29.com/en-gb/women-drinking-alcohol-regret?utm_source=upday&utm_medium=referral

WE SEE A MAN WHO DRINKS A LOT AS A BON VIVANT... GENERALLY SPEAKING, WE'RE A LOT MORE FORGIVING WHEN IT COMES TO MEN.

I don’t think so. Men who drink excessively are seen as irresponsible, unreliable, loutish, violent, aggressive and boorish.
Especially so if they are fathers.

I also disagree with this:

"Women tend to drink for different reasons like stress, burnout and anxiety," she continues. "Men tend to drink because they want to have more fun."

I know plenty of men who use alcohol as a crutch due to depression, stress and anxiety.

Is drinking something that should be celabrated, men or women?

Alcohol culture is grimm all around.

One more thing, if I think back to the ‘90s, the men (early 20s) I knew who who drank themselves into oblivion had MH problems or very unhappy backgrounds.
One committed suicide and I know of two who were alcoholics by the time they were 40.

Alcohol culture is grimm all around.

I agree.
Maybe it’s my experience - seeing so many people suffer due to alcohol misuse but I detest it. The stereotypical ‘Women/Prosecco/Gin’ and ‘Men/beer/Whiskey’ I hate equally.

As for the the dangers associated with drinking too much, both men and women suffer. When you drink too much you make yourself vulnerable to others. Men get beaten up and robbed, there are many stories of young men going missing after a night out.

Women regret it more because they have more to lose.

When a woman's place is in the wrong anyways (which is still very prevalent in today's culture and society) , adding alcohol in the mix is just an extra stick to beat them up with.

Even If all women became teetotal there would still be plenty of sticks left.

I think society condemns drunk women more, even though drunk men cause more harm. I wonder what the percentage of those convicted for drink driving are men and which are women, for example.

I don’t think we do see men as non vivants, that was something in the forties and fifties.

I think men who drink too much consider themselves bon vivants. No one else does.

@newnortherner111

I think society condemns drunk women more, even though drunk men cause more harm. I wonder what the percentage of those convicted for drink driving are men and which are women, for example.

Majority male. No surprise there.

Men are responsible for over 80% of drink driving convictions, and the majority of many other driving offences:

www.dpp-law.com/driving-offences-statistics/

Women are a lot more susceptible physically to ill effects from alcohol than men are, though there are more male alcoholics than female.

I'm a very long term sober alcoholic - 32 years last month.

I get bothered by the number of women who joke about binge drinking. It's so common. At one school fundraiser one of the quiz teams called themselves "Mummy's Special Juice". They thought this was hilarious, as did lots of other mums. It made me shudder. And when I shop for birthday cards at least half of them refer to drunkenness. Wine glasses and high heels...

I'd say there a big class factor at play.

MC man drinking wine with a meal every night - fine.
WC man popping into the pub for a couple of pints most evenings - loutish, probably a thug

@BeenAsFarAsMercyAndGrand

I'd say there a big class factor at play.

MC man drinking wine with a meal every night - fine.
WC man popping into the pub for a couple of pints most evenings - loutish, probably a thug

This.

(Although it's almost certainly MC people doing the judging).

@JBaez

I also disagree with this:

"Women tend to drink for different reasons like stress, burnout and anxiety," she continues. "Men tend to drink because they want to have more fun."

I know plenty of men who use alcohol as a crutch due to depression, stress and anxiety.

Me too. NHS ICU , worked with an amazing guy who would drink to hide the stress he was under. Nobody knew until he collapsed in the locker room. Hidden victim of Covid.

The marketing of gin/prosecco as something fun and glamourous to women doesn't help.Alcohol is alcohol, it doesn't make any difference if it comes wrapped up in a lifestyle image.
Personally I don't think it's helpful to frame public health issues in feminist terms, same with smoking and obesity.

Men ply women with alcohol to try to get them into bed, but when the woman is then taken advantage of, it's seen as her irresponsibility that was at fault. I've experienced a lot of pressure to binge drink when going out, from both males and females, so that they can get you to entertain them in the way they wish. I think women are pressured to drink so that others can get something out of them. Men are pressured to drink too, by their mates, but there's not the same kind of expectation that they'll be offering something up as a result. I've come to feel really uncomfortable in group drinking situations and have given up, I just don't feel safe drinking around others anymore, and the pressure simply isn't fun.

I'm not one for standing up for men usually, but I don't agree with a fair bit on this thread. My DH drinks far too much due to work stress and his inability to relax, many of the men he knows are similar. It does affect his health and he feels guilty about it.
Also the affects on men are grim, I know someone convicted of GBH whilst an alcoholic, constantly getting into fights whilst drunk. After a spell in prison, he's been sober a long time and is a really decent bloke now. Alcohol wrecks a lot of men's lives, if people didn't drink then I wonder how different the statistics on male violence would be.
On the other hand, I see most women drinking for fun, girls night out, violence is rare. Prosecco memes.

On the other hand, I see most women drinking for fun, girls night out, violence is rare. Prosecco memes.
Rape and sexual assault of intoxicated women?!

A couple of years ago I was working in a house for several days and the woman next door was crying and talking to her self every day I was there. I heard her through the wall and thought it was the TV at first. She was in her 40s and lived alone.
Turns out she was a staff nurse and a functioning alcoholic. People outside the house had no idea as she hid it so well, only the people who owned the house I worked in had any idea of the truth.

Yes, sadly there are plenty of women alcoholics and women who use alcohol unhealthily to destress too. And women’s bodies tolerate alcohol less well than men’s.