If you make a loophole in safeguarding they will come

[FindTheTruth]

‘historic’ child safeguarding failures won't be history as long as safeguarding loopholes exist and new ones are created.

What solutions are there to stop existing and new safeguarding loopholes?

ideas to stop existing and new safeguarding loopholes:

1. public bodies should take steps to ensure they are not influenced by organisations with peadophile adjacent leaders, managers and influential employees

2. public bodies should take steps to ensure they are not influenced by academic schools of thought that endorse paedophilia.

In in total agreement with the ethos of this thread and have wondered (and been angry) why safeguarding hasn't been set in some kind of iron cast so it can't be rolled back - because if it can be rolled back, it's not safeguarding!

But I'm not sure how to actualise the ideas about paedophilia (or hebophilia). Individuals can't be treated as either without some proof. It gets very grey. And most of the fuckers go undercover.

I'd like anybody under the age of 16 to be legally protected from sexualisation. And that means images, TV characters, the lot. The sexualisation of kids is so normalised, it process a wide gaping hole through which many types of assholes walk - not slip - through. If teens dress "sexily" that's not the issue. It's the normalisation of sexy = cute that causes a problem.

aweegc some good ideas in there. like the rollled back thing... in general equal rights are equal but safeguarding has to come first and override everything.

3. public bodies align with the principle that there are no 'sacred castes' in safeguarding. no more 'open secrets' for decades.

The fact that the very person who led to the total overhaul of the then CRB system was potentially going to be in a position to use a loophole tells you everything you need to know. No one should be allowed to have a DBS check without declaring all names including names on the original birth certificate. None of this, tick a box and ring us business, everything goes on the form, the very people who will/are objecting to that are probably the ones you need to safeguard against.

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ideas to stop existing and new safeguarding loopholes:

1. public bodies should take steps to ensure they are not influenced by organisations with peadophile adjacent leaders, managers and influential employees

Problem is that they all deny they are "paedophile adjacent" and then Patriachy says "how dare you accuse this legally-criminally-innocent person. Here, creepy guy, we'll welcome you in to this org to prove that we aren't bigoted or hysterical" and then safeguarding all gets dismantled from the inside.

Before bringing paedophiles into it, could we just start with a few very basic principles:

A) Never remove or alter a safeguarding provision without understanding the reason why it was created (the Chesterton's fence principle); and

B) Never replace a safeguarding measure which is based on one characteristic (eg sex) with one based on another characteristic (eg "gender identity") without clear evidence that it will be at least as effective as the old measure.

C) If a safeguarding measure is shown to have a significant effect, then the fact that a small number of people might conceivably go to great efforts to try and get around an existing safeguarding measure is not a valid excuse for reducing safeguarding - this should be a reason for seeking more effective safeguarding measures rather than abandoning existing measures altogether.

YourSex is right. There should be no pre-judgment required about the connections or dealings of any individual or organisation. The safeguarding process should highlight those questionable connections.

Also, safeguarding is not restricted to protection from sexual abuse so we muddy the waters by singularly emphasising paedophilic risk.