“Women only vaccination clinic” guess the catch...

[MrsWooster]

twitter.com/womenfriendlyls/status/1395273198221017088?s=21
Women’s Lives Leeds offering a “private” women-only vaccination clinic, including graphics of women wearing religiously ‘modest’ clothing.
Open to anyone who identifies as a woman.
So men, then.

The organisation claims to be “empowering women and girls”. Aye, right.

L'Oreal are just as bad. They want more women in science and sent an email out today stating they are looking for postgrad/post docs. The first criteria is that you must be female or identify as female to apply.

Obviously I can't say anything, what with working in higher education and all.

I'm not buying any more L'oreal products, it's a fucking woke joke.

@AfternoonToffee

Oh FFS. This is trying to specifically target a group that has shown to have low uptake and they just open it up to everyone and so completely and totally defeating the purpose.

This is not being inclusive, when you are still excluding the very people you should be there for.

They haven't opened it up to "everyone". Ok I get it that (you) general you are annoyed at the "identifies as a woman" bit but in reality the vast majority of boys and men do not and will never "identity as a woman"

Are you (general you) seriously suggesting the male population of Leeds is going to flock to this one centre?

Personally I would be questioning the circumstances that result in the mindset that having in injection on one's arm is so unthinkable if there happened to be a man around. I find it a bit odd that being "gender critical" has to look support for its stance in some of the most oppressive, misogynistic religions.

Personally I would be questioning the circumstances that result in the mindset that having in injection on one's arm is so unthinkable if there happened to be a man around. I find it a bit odd that being "gender critical" has to look support for its stance in some of the most oppressive, misogynistic religions.

I think you have misunderstood. I don't think anyone is looking for support in these religious groups. But the women who belong to those groups are in danger of not being vaccinated because of their beliefs. I don't think it is right to dismiss them as not worthy of support just because we disagree with their religious beliefs. They have the right to the same healthcare as the rest of us and I think we can be sensitive to their needs.

What's your solution? To tell them to abandon their religious beliefs because they are oppressive and misogynistic?

But surely you can agree that there is no point in having a women only vaccination clinic which turns out to be open to males as well.

I think you have misunderstood. I don't think anyone is looking for support in these religious groups

No, but these oppressive, misogynistic religions are very useful for the gender critical cause. What is my solution? Well yes, maybe question the value of a religion so oppressive that a partially bared arm can't be shown.

But surely you can agree that there is no point in having a women only vaccination clinic which turns out to be open to males as well

In any rational world there is no need for a woman only vaccination clinic but are you seriously saying that because it is open to anyone who identifies as a woman that there will be hordes of men there? I doubt it.

Well yes, maybe question the value of a religion so oppressive that a partially bared arm can't be shown

A...people are questioning it, always have

B...its been questioned for years, covid isnt giving us an extra time at this point

And I doubt men of any shape or form will rock up to these clinics, what matters though is if the women being targeted for the jab ‘think’ that they will

Any extra time...doh!

And I doubt men of any shape or form will rock up to these clinics, what matters though is if the women being targeted for the jab ‘think’ that they will

It's possible that the women who are being targeted here are unaware of the new idea that a woman is any man who says he is. But the presence of even a single man who 'identifies as a woman' could be enough to put these women off attending.

It doesn't take 'hordes' of men to make this mixed sex. Just one is enough.

No, but these oppressive, misogynistic religions are very useful for the gender critical cause. What is my solution? Well yes, maybe question the value of a religion so oppressive that a partially bared arm can't be shown.

Do you really think these religions are 'useful' for us? I think many of us view these religions as you seem to do, but that doesn't mean that we think we should ignore the difficulties faced by women who adhere to them, or who are born into them and may feel they are unable to leave.

Saying that they 'should' be able to remove items of clothing in the presence of males doesn't help them with accessing healthcare here and now.

It doesn't take 'hordes' of men to make this mixed sex. Just one is enough.

Absolutely,

Personally I would be questioning the circumstances that result in the mindset that having in injection on one's arm is so unthinkable if there happened to be a man around.

Personally I would be questioning the circumstances that result in the mindset that having an injection in one's arm is something to be done in an environment that celebrates one's personal identity even at the cost of others who truly need that resource.

It takes a position of privilege to not understand other women's intersectionalities and boundaries, and to then think they should be placed where yours personally are. Its lovely that you have this freedom and perspective. Not everyone is as lucky or feels and thinks exactly as you do. Either we respect all other people's cultures, faiths, feelings and beliefs, or we don't.

I find it a bit odd that being "gender critical" has to look support for its stance in some of the most oppressive, misogynistic religions.

And here's the key. 'Making use of'.

No. Because this is not about politics or trying to 'win' and I find it truly bizarre when it gets framed this way. I won't see women excluded and their reasons and needs talked down, derided, argued with and those women vanished from sight with needs unmet so that people born male may have their full freedoms without women having inconvenient needs of their own that presents boundaries.

Either we're inclusive - which means everyone, and meeting all needs, and respecting everyone's feelings and choices and identities - or this talk of inclusion is just a lot of manipulative bullshit trying to gain leverage for a political agenda that places men above women.

It's not about looking for support. It's about acknowledging the world we actually live in, not the world we think we should live, and the impact of some people's mindsets and philosophies on others.

I've spoken about this before. I am a gender-critical feminist in large part because I see, and am repulsed by, the ramifications on some of the world's most vulnerable women.

The people who espouse it have no idea, and seem to have been insulated from contact with anyone who isn't white and middle class, and if we adopt their ideology, so will the rest of us be. I passionately want women from backgrounds that mean they don't currently participate in public life to have more access.

Why? Because age 16, I did my GCSEs with a girl, same age, who'd got married at 16, and who kept taking time off our GCSE courses to take care of her ill husband. I have continued to live in that same town during my adult life, and I continue to see that this is a community of women which is further trapped by national and local government's unwillingness to consider them in decision-making.

Why can't men just fuck off and leave women alone? Just simply fuck off. We don't need you, we don't want you, just fuck off.

And another potential female-only service bites the dust. Great.

Makes the point, doesn't it? Anything provided for female people to meet specific female needs is an immediate political target. Even when that particular resource isn't needed by those who see it as a political target; it can't be allowed to exist in peace.

Absolute intolerance of female people's needs being met, even with something so serious as a covid jab for a particularly vulnerable group of females. No conflict of rights my arse. Laws are there to enforce protected resources for groups who cannot rely on respect and good will coming from other groups to allow them an equal access; here's a brilliant demonstration of why the single sex exceptions MUST be enforced.

The profile pictures of the transactivists liking and promoting the tweet from the clinic are embarrassingly and overwhelmingly white. Lots of he/hims, too.

Who cares about the needs of Muslim women, eh? This clinic is presumably being offered because it was identified that this group of women had low takeup of the vaccine. We're talking about a virus that kills people, and causes long-term illness in some survivors. If the local NHS CCG thought they'd identified a clear clinical need to justify running this clinic, then there must be quite a few women to reach. So how many women's needs are being thrown under the bus? And for how many transwomen?

Joy/Jon "Eater of TERFS is a joy! "Good thing then that those who identify as women tend to not be men"

And so it goes round and round...

Let's hope that it works to encourage Muslim women to get their jabs.

If a bunch of TW does turn up and scare them away, then it will not reflect well on them.

I'm not on twitter but I peeked at some of the Twitter replies from TRA.

I think I may have just peaked.

No empathy or understanding as to the fundamental reason for a woman only clinic in this area at this moment in time.

I'm raging

I cannot fathom the logic that goes

• mixed sex vaccination clinics are a barrier to vaccination take up among some women
• let’s offer more mixed sex clinics

The more sinister bit is that women with English as an additional language (who are likely to be over represented in this group) may well not understand what “ anyone who identifies as a woman” means, and will attend under the misconception that it is single sex.

I live in Mexico City and someone just posted on an expat's page looking for women to act as guides for women travellers. Sounded nice until I found out that woman is a just feeling.

I wouldn't mind showing men around, I wouldn't mind showing transgender people around but I do object to people claiming something is exclusively for women when it definitely is not.

Many people, men or women, want to get the vaccine as quickly as possible, perhaps because next month they wish to go on holiday. So it is quite possible that a man may 'identify as a woman' as Dean claims to have done, simply to get the vaccine quicker.

I will leave others to challenge the councillor claiming credit.