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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Stephen King on twitter today......

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rabbitwoman · 20/05/2021 15:31

'If you didn't look closely, you'd believeper Uproxxthat I said J.K. Rowling's opinion on trans women is shitty and hateful. I didn't say that. The author, Josh Kurp said that. This is an editorial masquerading as information.'

Then he says:

'My opinion is that Jo Rowling is wrong about trans women. Leave shitty and hateful out of it, please.'

Now, he is entitled to that opinion ad has expressed it respectfully so that's fine.... But anyone else get the impression that he has not really understood what she wrote.

She wrote in her essay about abusive men, and how they will use self ID to abuse women.

She wrote about freedom of speech and shutting down women 's voices.

And women' s sports?

THOSE are the really important parts if the essay, Stephen. What's you opinion on that?

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FindTheTruth · 20/05/2021 21:38

@StephenKing TWEET
My opinion is that Jo Rowling is wrong about trans women. Leave shitty and hateful out of it, please.

Dr. Jane Clare Jones TWEET
@janeclarejones
My opinion is that men's opinion on the definition of women is worthless.

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Gumbomambo · 20/05/2021 21:53

What an utter knob. Why bring it up? Why start it again? Has he got a novelette to promote or something? Maybe someone asked how much of his personal money he was going to contribute to charity this year?

WhereYouLeftIt · 20/05/2021 21:56

@TedImgoingmad

Has this just come out of absolutely nowhere, or has someone else recently cross referenced what he said last year?

If not, he sounds like someone who's fallen asleep mid conversation, woken up and resumed where he left off, not realising everyone else has moved on.

JKR's just won a literary award. Maybe he's a bit envious??

Looks like he's responding to this "article" published yesterday.

uproxx.com/movies/stephen-king-jk-rowling-canceled/

TedImgoingmad · 20/05/2021 22:24

Ah, thank you, @WhereYouLeftIt

What a piece of shit "article". And talk about DARVO on King's part. Misogynist prick.

Defaultname · 20/05/2021 22:28

Or:
I did not say that anyone should be hung, drawn, and quartered. Hanging wasn't even mentioned.

Manderleyagain · 21/05/2021 14:35

I read an interview with him in the daily beast also published recently. He talks about what happened with jkr. He misrepresents why she deleted her tweet praising him. He clearly hasn't read (or at least hasn't understood) her essay. He doesn't understand the political context she is in - seeing it only through the lens of American political tribalism. He said she was 'on the side of angels' for most things - eg anti brexit anti trump, that is agreeing with him - except this. Stupid man. It's not about angels v evil.

SheldonesqueTheBstard · 21/05/2021 14:39

For a man who plays with words for a living, he doesn’t seem to have understood what jkr said.

How so?

SnoopyLights · 03/09/2021 20:27

Not that he would care about my opinion, but I used to say that Stephen King couldn't write a word I wouldn't want to read. I had no idea how wrong I would be about that. I am no longer buying his books, as much because of his treatment of JK Rowling as his opinion that TWAW is throwing the safety of women and girls under the bus at no cost to himself.

He won't notice or care, but I can't in good conscience continue to buy his books when I've already made the decision not to support other authors and artists for their stance in this issue. I don't feel my choice is cancel culture though, because I'm not trying to get anyone else to stop buying his books or prevent bookshops from selling them.

I've just looked up the Daily Beast article and I can't believe how he (and the interviewer) is misrepresenting her and what has happened.

Interviewer: One thing I’d like to give you credit for is calling out J.K. Rowling for all her anti-trans proselytism. There was this bizarre exchange, wherein you responded to a fan’s tweet saying, “Trans women are women,” and she reacted by blocking you on Twitter and deleting a tweet praising you.

SK: Jo canceled me. She sorta blocked me and all that. Here’s the thing: She is welcome to her opinion. That’s the way that the world works. If she thinks that trans women are dangerous, or that trans women are somehow not women, or whatever problem she has with it—the idea that someone “masquerading” as a woman is going to assault a “real” woman in the toilet—if she believes all those things, she has a right to her opinion. And then someone tweeted at me, “Do you think trans women are women?” and I said, “Yes, I do.” And that’s what she got angry about—my opinion. It’s like the old saying, “I don’t agree with what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” So, nobody has “canceled” J.K. Rowling. She’s doing fine. I just felt that her belief was, in my opinion, wrong. We have differing opinions, but that’s life.

Interviewer: It’s fascinating, because J.K. Rowling was the most famous signatory to the so-called “cancel culture” letter in Harper’s, and this to me seems indicative of the way a lot of the “cancel culture” crowd acts. She’s trying to “cancel” an entire group of people, and then you respond by merely saying, “Trans women are women”—your belief—and then she blocks you on social media.

SK: Yes. But keep in mind too that Jo’s opinion on trans women is an outlier in her entire political spectrum. She was very much anti-Brexit and very much anti-Trump. She’s on the side of the angels in most respects, but she does have this one thing that she’s very vehement about. No doubt.

JK Rowling has not "canceled" Stephen King by blocking him on Twitter, I am absolutely stunned that he has dared to even suggest it.

I left the SK Constant Reader page on Facebook because people on that page were posting "RIP JK Rowling" and worse on that page. She is getting hate mail, death threats, rape threats, in the 1000's and is dealing with them with dignity and even humour but god knows it must be terrifying and exhausting to be on the receiving end of that shit day after day.

He's got to be aware of the abuse she is getting, the scale and content of it all. Yet he has the nerve to say "Nobody has cancelled JK Rowling, she's doing fine..." and in the same breath bitch about her blocking him as her cancelling him? Fuck off.

And JK Rowling is trying to cancel trans people? Fuck off again to the interviewer for that.

I'm dwelling a bit today as someone in my book group has just asked me, knowing how much I loved SK's books, if I've finished his new one yet? And I've had to say I'm not going to buy it or read it, but then I thought I'd google to see if he may, by some miracle, have redeemed himself but instead he seems to have doubled down.

teawamutu · 03/09/2021 21:32

He's a virtue signalling dickhead. I really don't know if I can enjoy his books any more, knowing that the author lacks such basic decency.

Getafuckingdogwalker · 03/09/2021 21:41

I love SKs writing and have read and will read everything he publishes.

He writes bravery, and compassion, and fight so well. Shame he’s a RL coward but I still hope he one day stands up for what he really thinks, which is clearly in line with what JKR thinks. Bearing in mind she dipped her toe in and out and got more than one normal woman thrown to the wolves by liking GC tweets before then unliking them (and thereby driving traffic to them with her huge platform).

What I am really struggling with is him having a character reference her as “that Harry Potter babe” in his new book. Why???? Is it an olive branch? A no hard feelings salvo? Or him just dragging everything back up out of spite?

IvyTwines2 · 03/09/2021 21:49

King talks about 'the side of the angels' on most matters but not this. He's on social media. He must be aware of the death and rape threats being made by trans activists and their 'allies' against JKR and attacking other women who want to defend safe spaces, safeguard children, own the very language used to describe ourselves. Is that really 'the side of the angels', Stephen?

LobsterNapkin · 03/09/2021 22:47

Like a lot of Americans who support the Democrats, I don't really think he knows or understands the issue, or the kinds of claims gender ideology makes.

LobsterNapkin · 03/09/2021 22:49

But also, if someone is going to talk about the question of the European Union being some sort of straightforward angel/devil question, you know they are not up for much political complexity.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/09/2021 09:12

that trans women are somehow not women

Do you think trans women are women?” and I said, “Yes, I do.”

A "trans woman" is literally any male who declares themselves to be a woman. Do these people even think about what idiocy they are spouting?

BraveBananaBadge · 04/09/2021 09:15

Jesus Christ, imagine having Stephen King in front of you as an interview subject, and you use the opportunity to make it all about trans and bashing JKR. It must be exhausting.

merrymouse · 04/09/2021 09:21

the idea that someone “masquerading” as a woman is going to assault a “real” woman in the toilet

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merrymouse · 04/09/2021 09:32

@Ereshkigalangcleg

that trans women are somehow not women

Do you think trans women are women?” and I said, “Yes, I do.”

A "trans woman" is literally any male who declares themselves to be a woman. Do these people even think about what idiocy they are spouting?

Apparently not!

But his comment about Brexit is very interesting. I voted Remain, but this was based on practicalities, not a moral judgement. I can’t believe an American would have the patience to read about the ins and outs of the single market (clearly many (most?) U.K. MPs and possibly even our own PM weren’t familiar with the small print at the time of the vote).

However he feels qualified to judge that she was ‘on the side of the angels’ on Brexit. Why? I assume that his judgement is based on tribal allegiance, not understanding.

merrymouse · 04/09/2021 09:33

So I agree with what Lobster Napkin said, basically.

dyslek · 04/09/2021 09:35

Why is anyone bothering with the opinions of this tiresome man?

He is famous for writing middle brow fiction, so his opinions on womans rights are considered because...?

SnoopyLights · 04/09/2021 10:07

@Getafuckingdogwalker

What I am really struggling with is him having a character reference her as “that Harry Potter babe” in his new book. Why???? Is it an olive branch? A no hard feelings salvo? Or him just dragging everything back up out of spite?

Has he really done that?

That seems really weird, whatever his reasons, it feels disrespectful to me to put her in one of his books after all he's said against her.

As I said, I've chosen now not to read any more by him, so I don't know the context of that reference to her, but it feels very tone deaf to the situation to mention her at all for any reason. It's bound to bring about more discussion of her, and not in a good way. That fan page I mentioned was ripping her to bits and I can't see them stopping now.

LazyViper · 04/09/2021 10:13

So bored of privileged men stirring up mobs to show how forward-thinking and ‘on the side of the angels’ (as he puts it) they are.

Thanks, Stephen. Off you pop, now.

LobsterNapkin · 04/09/2021 15:37

But his comment about Brexit is very interesting. I voted Remain, but this was based on practicalities, not a moral judgement. I can’t believe an American would have the patience to read about the ins and outs of the single market (clearly many (most?) U.K. MPs and possibly even our own PM weren’t familiar with the small print at the time of the vote).

I consistently find myself wondering though, do most people only remember the last 10 years?

Granted he is an American, but King is over 70. Up until about 5 minutes ago, being anti-EU was a deeply left-wing position.

It's not just him either, it seems to be a widespread affliction.

merrymouse · 04/09/2021 15:45

I very much doubt that King cared about the EU 10 years ago given that few people in the U.K. had a strong opinion on the EU.

I think he just doesn’t care.

I also would have assumed that 10 years ago his readership would have come from all parts of the political spectrum. I wonder whether America is now so divided that he just doesn’t care about the very large number of people who voted for Trump?

AlfonsoTheMango · 04/09/2021 15:56

I would hope that a writer of Mr King's talent would know the difference between disagreeing with someone's opinion and saying that their opinion is wrong.

I disagree with Mr King but do not feel that his opinion is wrong. I agree with Ms Rowling but do not feel her opinion is right.

That humans cannot change sex is a fact. Anyone who says otherwise is wrong because they saying something that is untrue. It doesn't matter if someone agrees or disagrees with that statement - it is a statement of fact.

Pudmyboy · 04/09/2021 19:15

@Monicuddle
The threats of rape and violence against him are disgusti....oh wait 🧐
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