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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This never happens. Again. (distressing testimony)

43 replies

AyeRobot · 17/05/2021 19:17

thestrayferret.co.uk/harrogate-paedophile-jailed-for-22-years-for-86-sex-attacks/

At least they haven't got a GRC, so 🤞will not be sent to a womens prison. Or is that a vain hope?

Hope the brave victims find some peace after the conviction 💐

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YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/05/2021 19:46

So sad that one of the victims reported this 20 years ago and was brushed off. :(

persistentwoman · 17/05/2021 19:50

Awful. And presumably all these terrible offences against children will be recorded (yet again) as being perpetrated by a woman.

WarriorN · 17/05/2021 19:51

Ugh, my god. That's terrible, those poor girls.

YetAnotherSpartacus · 17/05/2021 19:55

Yes,it’s the same old patriarchy (girls being ignored and disbelieved when they report abuse) combined with the new (the abuse being recorded as the crime of a woman).

Erikrie · 17/05/2021 20:01

If this person has no GRC why on earth is he being referred to as she... And rape is a male crime.

RedDogsBeg · 17/05/2021 20:02

Yeah, never happens and when it does it doesn't and you can barely allude to and definitely not talk or discuss the one glaring commonality of these cases.

ANewCreation · 17/05/2021 20:08

From the article:

“This has affected my family. Anything that this evil man gets (in terms of punishment) won’t be enough for what he’s done to me and my family.”

And yet, will the judge have followed the guidance in the Equal treatment bench book and insisted that the female victims refer to "this evil man" as 'she'?

AyeRobot · 17/05/2021 20:19

"no previous convictions" BECAUSE ONE OF THE VICTIMS WAS BRUSHED OFF.

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Defaultname · 17/05/2021 20:20

"Gillian Batts, for Brennan, said her client, who had been remanded in jail since the trial, had no previous convictions."
Wouldn't that be because. um, none of the allegations made by the victims were listened to? The fact that your client got away with abuse for twenty years isn't, surely, something you'd emphasise?

Defaultname · 17/05/2021 20:22

Got there before me, AR. It's like saying "None of the murderer's victims has ever complained...".

NiceGerbil · 17/05/2021 20:28

Another one where abuse could have been stopped years ago but police weren't interested. Meaning years more of children being sexually abused.

At least the reporting guidelines seem to be changing. Mostly was self id before irrespective of GRC.

This prisoner could go to the new wing that was talked about the other day? Where they are to high risk to go in with the women all the time. But do need to mingle with them for reasons of... Not sure on those.

Tibtom · 17/05/2021 20:35

But according to some this person couldn't possibly actually be trans because true transwomen wouldn't do that, but they should still be housed in a female prison and men would never pretend to be trans.

BruteForce · 17/05/2021 20:40

Need to mingle?

He lost all his 'rights' when he first committed crimes against girls AFAIK.

How anyone would even think of leaving a rapist mingle with women is beyond my comprehension.

As a survivor I KNOW those girls will never forget.

NiceGerbil · 17/05/2021 20:46

The lack of concern for the levels of violence and sexual violence in the male estate really bothers me.

This is an LBTQ+ issue isn't it. I would guess that gay men or men who other men perceive to be gay could well be at risk in men's prisons. What about them stonewall and the others?

Why are they not fighting to make prison safer for gender non conforming, non binary and gay men?

This comes up over and over again.

It's always about forcing women to accept some males in their previously single sex stuff and safety is usually the reason cited.

What about the other LGBT+ males?

Why do they NEVER fight for solutions which would help trans people, and also homosexual people, and also loads of other people as well?

Why don't they care about any of the other letters apart from T (and TW at that).

Mowzy · 17/05/2021 20:47

Disgusting man. That is not a woman. It's a male paedophile.

JustcameoutGC · 17/05/2021 21:14

I wonder why he only remembers a few years back. I would not be surprised if this is when he 'transitioned' and he claimed he had no memory of before and in fact what he did 'before' wasn't actually him.

DisposableNamechange · 17/05/2021 21:53

At least the reporting guidelines seem to be changing. Mostly was self id before irrespective of GRC.
I wouldn’t read too much into how this has been reported here - it’s a fairly new, small, online free sheet so if they’re not adhering to normal journalistic standards, I’d suspect it’s because they’re not journalists, rather than anything more deliberate or considered.

AyeRobot · 17/05/2021 21:59

It's also the only place it's been reported.

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DisposableNamechange · 17/05/2021 21:59

And the people he lived amongst aren’t pissing round respecting pronouns either, commenting on the Facebook story.

DisposableNamechange · 17/05/2021 22:01

@AyeRobot

It's also the only place it's been reported.
Is it really? That’s shocking.
tentosix · 17/05/2021 22:08

Am I totally wrong in assuming a man with a penis assaulted several young girls, presumably with his penis, is now being jailed in a women's prison because he's grown his hair and calls himself Jessica?

RedDogsBeg · 17/05/2021 23:25

Can't definitively say he will be jailed in a female prison tentosix but the odds are extremely high given the recent report by Fair Play For Women where it details how all decisions are about the rights of the man who feels like a woman no mention of the rights of the women they are incarcerated with natch. Plus the case under Judicial Review where the MoJ said they aren't allowed to ask if someone has a GRC so take it on trust and hence put high risk male paedophile rapists in the female estate if they say the magic words "I identify as a woman.

Marvellous isn't it? But then we were assured this would never happen so it obviously isn't happening and we are just making it all up and being mean.

RedDogsBeg · 18/05/2021 01:39

Lisa Nandy will be in his corner fighting for him to put into the female prison estate I'm sure, also sure Lisa will have a really good explanation and justification for his victims and the women he will be incarcerated with as to why - can't wait to hear it.

NiceGerbil · 18/05/2021 02:11

Rapists have been housed in the women's estate before. Without a GRC. With predictable results.

That whole policy to me reads as an attempt to appease both sides of the 'debate'. And so leaves some very big questions.

For me there's the stuff I mentioned earlier.

But the thing that's missed. That's always missed. Or not missed but set aside. In all manner of conversations. Whether it's about segregated bogs/ changing. Or about sexual harassment by men on the street. Or the always trivialised wolf whistling. And on and on.

Is the fact that a worryingly large minority of men get a kick out of making women and girls feel uncomfortable/ scared/ upset. And loads do it without crossing the line into illegal acts.

Staring for example. That's not illegal. But a man or men just watching you. Silent. It's very scary. I used to walk past a building site when I was a girl and all the men would go quiet. Stop what they were doing. Stop talking. It would fall quiet and they would just stare. Watch me. I found that terrifying.
Looking at people is not illegal.

Neither is standing too close. Slowly looking up and down. I doubt it's illegal to have an erection if you don't get it out. It's not illegal to strike up conversation, ask personal questions. Etc etc.

That's the sort of thing they call microaggressions I think? Not so micro.

Loads of males enjoy doing all this. And they know where the line is.

To have transwomen who have sexually offended against women and girls mixing with the rest of the prisoners so they don't miss out or something. They are protecting the main estate from these (in their own words) transwomen offenders who present a risk to 'other' women. That means they won't give the opportunity to assault or rape. What about all the other things that women know so well, when it comes to enjoying female discomfort at sexual threat?

WarriorN · 18/05/2021 07:17

Great post gerbil.