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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

The Government has recognised that there is a need of specific services for women because of the level of violence against women such as domestic violence

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stumbledin · 15/05/2021 21:05

Domestic Abuse is a form of Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG) and the Government recognises that there is need for specific services for women. Its scale and impact warrant a dedicated strategy.

The Government recognises that domestic abuse is a gendered crime. Over two million adults suffer domestic abuse each year with women twice as likely to be victims. We recognise too that the vast majority of severe injury and domestic homicide victims are women (www.gov.uk/government/statistics/domestic-abuse-in-england-and-wales-november-2020).

No one should have to suffer the pain of this abhorrent crime. That is why this Government has made tackling domestic abuse and supporting victims a priority.

Since 2014 we have invested £205 million in support for domestic abuse safe accommodation services – including £125 million for the new local authority duty (included in the Domestic Abuse Act) in 2021/22.

In addition, we have provided £1.5 million for migrant victims, £6.4 million for the National Domestic Abuse Helpline since 2016, over £20 million in frontline and support services for victims of domestic abuse, and £17 million over three years (2017/18 – 2019/20) for support through Police and Crime Commissioners (PCCs) and local authorities.

For 2021/22, in addition to their core funding, PCCs were provided a further £9 million specifically for domestic abuse victim support services and £27 million to recruit more Independent Sexual Violence Advisors and Independent Domestic Violence Advisors.

We know how important high-quality support is to helping victims to recover from the trauma of domestic abuse and to move on with their lives. We agree that tailored support is vital to ensuring women receive the right and appropriate types of support and we expect all services commissioned to be gender-informed. Services must adhere to the law under the Equality Act for single sex provisions (www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents).

The Domestic Abuse Act 2021 (www.legislation.gov.uk/nia/2021/2/contents) includes a new duty on local authorities to assess the accommodation-based support needs of all victims and commission appropriate support services to meet those needs.

To accompany the new duties on local authorities within the Domestic Abuse Act the Government will set out its clear expectations in Statutory Guidance with the aim of ensuring all victims of domestic abuse have access to the right support within safe accommodation when they need it.

The Guidance will be clear that in assessing local needs, local authorities should use the expertise and knowledge of local and national specialist domestic abuse services to support in identifying and understanding the level and types of needs. The Guidance will also be clear that support should be provided by experienced and knowledgeable specialist providers, charities and other voluntary organisations whose purpose is to provide support to victims of domestic abuse.

Services commissioned under the new duty should be meet Government and the domestic abuse sector quality standards – which include a commitment that support in safe accommodation should be provided in single-gender settings.

The Government will continue to work closely with local authorities, the domestic abuse sector and the Domestic Abuse Commissioner as the duty is implemented, to ensure that support is delivered in the right way.

Domestic abuse is a high-prevalence, high-harm form of Violence Against Women and Girls (VAWG). Its scale and impact warrant a dedicated strategy. This does not mean we consider domestic abuse to be in any way separate from VAWG, nor intend to stop classifying it as VAWG. Indeed, many forms of VAWG take place within the context of domestic abuse.

By developing two complementary VAWG and domestic abuse strategies, this ensures sufficient focus is placed on existing and lesser understood forms of VAWG, as well as new and emerging forms, whilst providing scope to tackle the wide range of ways in which domestic abuse manifests.

The dual strategy approach will serve to redouble the Government’s efforts to tackle violence against women and girls.

We are currently considering all of the evidence submitted during the recent Call for Evidence and we will use this to inform our approach.

Ministry of Housing, Communities and Local Government

Government response to the petition: Require local authorities to fund specific domestic abuse services for women

This response was given on 13 May 2021

Please note MNHQ this is NOT a petition, nor a link to a petition. It is merely a statement from the Government that is of interest to FWR. So please dont move it to petitions, because the word petition appears. Thank you!

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FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 07:39

@FindTheTruth

UPDATE - email today, subject Petitions Committee requests a revised response from the Government

(for “Require local authorities to fund specific domestic abuse services for women")

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The Petitions team
UK Government and Parliament

The government have now issued a REVISED response
FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 07:49

Just doing a compare and contrast of the orignal response and the new response

ORIGINAL RESPONSE
The Government recognises that domestic abuse is a gendered crime.

NEW RESPONSE
The Government recognises that domestic abuse is a crime that disproportionately impacts women.

picklemewalnuts · 09/06/2021 07:52

Excellent.

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 07:53

ORIGINAL RESPONSE
The Domestic Abuse Act 2021 (www.legislation.gov.uk/nia/2021/2/contents) includes a new duty on local authorities to assess the accommodation-based support needs of all victims and commission appropriate support services to meet those needs.

NEW RESPONSE
The Domestic Abuse Act 2021 (www.legislation.gov.uk/nia/2021/2/contents) requires local authorities to assess, and commission appropriate support for domestic abuse victims and their children in safe accommodation to meet their needs. This includes funding specific domestic abuse services to meet the needs of women.

(my bold)

OhHolyJesus · 09/06/2021 07:53

I got the response too. It talks about single sex exemptions under EA2010 but also...

"Services commissioned under the new duty should meet Government and the domestic abuse sector quality standards – which include a commitment that support in safe accommodation should be provided in single-gender settings. This means providing specific services for women.
The Government will continue to work closely with local authorities, the domestic abuse sector and the Domestic Abuse Commissioner as the duty is implemented, to ensure that support, including specific services for women, is delivered in the right way."

Is it so hard to say sex?

It would clarify so much if they just used this three letter word.

picklemewalnuts · 09/06/2021 07:54

And the attention drawn to that, the need to revise the statement, highlights further the mess we've been in.
Hopefully it will accentuate the need to use language clearly and accurately in statements about women, mothers and girls.

OhHolyJesus · 09/06/2021 07:55

"We agree that tailored support is vital to ensuring women receive the right and appropriate types of support and we expect all services commissioned to be gender-informed. Services must adhere to the law under the Equality Act for single sex provisions (https://www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contentss_)."

For it to be single sex it cannot be 'gender informed'. That's the point.

Cabinfever10 · 09/06/2021 07:57

Unfortunately the new response still says that the services will be single gender rather than single sex which means that they will be mixed sex so I'm not sure how that squares with the statement about the equality act or the original question

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 07:59

ORIGINAL RESPONSE
Services commissioned under the new duty should be meet Government and the domestic abuse sector quality standards – which include a commitment that support in safe accommodation should be provided in single-gender settings.

NEW RESPONSE
Services commissioned under the new duty should meet Government and the domestic abuse sector quality standards – which include a commitment that support in safe accommodation should be provided in single-gender settings. This means providing specific services for women.

(my bold)

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 08:01

ORIGINAL RESPONSE
The Government will continue to work closely with local authorities, the domestic abuse sector and the Domestic Abuse Commissioner as the duty is implemented, to ensure that support is delivered in the right way.

NEW RESPONSE
The Government will continue to work closely with local authorities, the domestic abuse sector and the Domestic Abuse Commissioner as the duty is implemented, to ensure that support, including specific services for women, is delivered in the right way.

(my bold)

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 08:06

Is it so hard to say sex?

It would clarify so much if they just used this three letter word

and using the word 'sex' would make it so easier for civil servants dealing with these linguistics. It shouldn't have to be a minefield.

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 08:09

"we expect all services commissioned to be gender-informed. Services must adhere to the law under the Equality Act for single sex provisions (www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents)."

MY VERSION
we expect all services commissioned to be SINGLE-SEX-informed.

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 08:21

So in summary the 3 changes are:

  1. from ' is a gendered crime.' to 'is a crime that disproportionately impacts women.'

  2. Addition: 'This means providing specific services for women.'

  3. Addition: 'including specific services for women'

So in summary It's a little clearer by adding 'disproportionately impacts women' and 'specific services for women'. It's good that both the original and revised response said 'must adhere to the law under the Equality Act for single sex provisions'. It would be even more clearer if the response included specific guidance on the single-sex exemptions rather than just linking to the legislation.

highame · 09/06/2021 08:30

Excellent though. These changes seem to be an acknowledgement that language really is bloody important. The backroom boys and girls should now be fine tuning their spell checkers and their conscious bias

OhHolyJesus · 09/06/2021 08:38

@FindTheTruth

"we expect all services commissioned to be gender-informed. Services must adhere to the law under the Equality Act for single sex provisions (www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents)."

MY VERSION
we expect all services commissioned to be SINGLE-SEX-informed.

I'm wondering if the use of 'gender' in this government response is an attempt to keep the word to mean sex, as in, it's not followed by 'identity', it is accompanied by 'women' so it stick to the original meaning.

Things have gone so far now I would really like them to say sex, it's in the EA, there's no need to find a polite euphemism.

LazyHorizon · 09/06/2021 09:30

I’d feel a lot happier about the amendments if we were sure about their definition of ‘woman’.

ChakaDakotaRegina · 09/06/2021 10:10

@LazyHorizon

I’d feel a lot happier about the amendments if we were sure about their definition of ‘woman’.
Same. I’ve seen our favourite cyclists described as XY Female. I would want this to be crystal clear.
PearPickingPorky · 09/06/2021 10:31

@FindTheTruth

"we expect all services commissioned to be gender-informed. Services must adhere to the law under the Equality Act for single sex provisions (www.legislation.gov.uk/ukpga/2010/15/contents)."

MY VERSION
we expect all services commissioned to be SINGLE-SEX-informed.

I think I'm okay with saying "gender-informed" here because the reason that men, as a sex class, target their violence against women, as a sex class, is 'gender' (behaviour/socialisation)-based.

I'm not really very happy about the 'gender-based violence' term though, because I do find that very ambiguous. On whose 'gender is it based? The man's? Or the woman's? Neither really works as an accurate descriptor.

Artichokeleaves · 09/06/2021 10:53

Ok. All good. Now govt please specify:

  • That funding cannot be restricted or withheld from a women's service that is providing a needed single sex provision and protecting it as such

  • That provisions will be clearly planned for, labelled and described as to whether they are mixed sex or single sex to meet all needs, with expectation of acceptance that many female people will only be able to access the single sex ones, without pressure, harassment or say, someone high up in the service laughing at them when they're in tears saying they cannot cope with mixed sex provision and other people's political demands in the midst of their severe abuse and trauma.

  • That single sex provisions will have govt back up and willingness to stand behind facing down the endless onslaught on any single sex provision to try and force it to be mixed sex, so that providing a single sex service doesn't, for example, get rats nailed to your door and your staff tied up with endless lobby pressure to try and change their brief

  • What single sex provisions can and should do if the single sex boundary is intentionally targeted, for example someone interviews for a specified single sex post while concealing their sex based reality?

Artichokeleaves · 09/06/2021 10:56

Oh and:

  • retraining and set standards for a sector that has been heavily captured and steered towards a specific political position, and has employed on this political position.
Ereshkigalangcleg · 09/06/2021 12:51

t's in the EA, there's no need to find a polite euphemism.

I think it should say sex, or it doesn't map across to the EA protected characteristics. There is no "gender" and there would be different interpretations of what it means.

stumbledin · 09/06/2021 15:05

Thanks for posting this. Would never have found it.

But as it is up on the Government web site can share.

Still slightly amazed that the Petition Committee actually said to the Government your response isn't good enough!

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FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 15:13

Still slightly amazed that the Petition Committee actually said to the Government your response isn't good enough!

Yes, me too. Signs of common sense coming out of the public body woodwork everywhere

FindTheTruth · 09/06/2021 15:14

good summary @Artichokeleaves

stumbledin · 09/06/2021 15:23

hmmmmmm ..... I see that right in the middle as though they want to say enough of this talk about women then have added this paragraph:

... The Government also recognises that a significant number of men and boys experience domestic abuse, and local authorities will also need to ensure they assess and meet those needs. ...

I was going to upload a word document showing the 2 statements side by side, but I think mumsnet doesn't allow word documents?
Confused

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