Ground breaking trans woman

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So, a male, who identifies as a woman, has made a career in the male dominated world of football. They bravely paint their nails to express their lived experience as a woman.

www.vice.com/en/article/pkbbp8/sapir-berman-transgender-referee-israel-premier-league

“ There are currently no openly gay, bisexual or transgender players in the top four leagues of men’s football in England”

There are no females either. I wonder why? 🤔

“There are currently no openly gay, bisexual or transgender players in the top four leagues of men’s football in England”

There are no females either. I wonder why? 🤔

Err... would you expect female players in the top four leagues of men's football in England?

That's exactly what trans identifying males should be doing: taking part in the males game.
I do have to wonder if a female referee will ever be considered for high league men's games, but would be happy with just more female referees in the women's game.
Perhaps if the homophobia etc. that's ride in the men's game was stamped out we wouldn't have such a push for 'inclusivity' in the women's team.

@YourSexNotGenderIsOnFire

“There are currently no openly gay, bisexual or transgender players in the top four leagues of men’s football in England”

There are no females either. I wonder why? 🤔

Err... would you expect female players in the top four leagues of men's football in England?

Because men can be female now. Didn’t you know?

Rife not ride.

@SunnydaleClassProtector99

That's exactly what trans identifying males should be doing: taking part in the males game. I do have to wonder if a female referee will ever be considered for high league men's games, but would be happy with just more female referees in the women's game. Perhaps if the homophobia etc. that's ride in the men's game was stamped out we wouldn't have such a push for 'inclusivity' in the women's team.

“female referee will ever be considered for high league men's games”

That would be really groundbreaking.
I can’t say say a male with nail polish on, doing well in a male dominated industry is all that impressive to me.

I think it's a positive sign that football is becoming more tolerant. Ideally that is what we want. Men and women to be able to be gender non conforming without demanding others' rights, spaces and special treatment.
Men's football sounds like a very hostile place for those who don't fit in.
I'm more interested in raising the profile of the women's game and keeping it single sex. Celebrating a trans person in this role doesn't hinder that goal.
I don't care much for nail varnish though I did note one of the 2019 women's squad wore false nails.

Good for them. This is an excellent example of harming no one (assuming they aren't using female space at the stadium).

I agree that the no openly gay bit is worrying.

@Binglebong

Good for them. This is an excellent example of harming no one (assuming they aren't using female space at the stadium).

I agree that the no openly gay bit is worrying.

I agree. This harms no-one and may encourage male professional football to be more accepting.

Re changing facilities, my only knowledge of this is the Inside Number 9 Episode with David Morrisey as a referee but wouldn't the ground staff have their own facilities separate from the team? So even if Sapir Bermann was refereeing a women's match she wouldn't be in the team changing rooms.

What's the issue here?
Has a woman lost her place?
Is there a safeguarding concern?

There will also never be any transgender footballers in the men’s league because no female would have a hope in hell of reaching the required physical standard. Maybe they should point that one out - the trans thing only really runs one way. An MTF can take their pick of sports. An FTM not so much.

I didn't appreciate the 'Super Woman' sign in the stands tbh.

There will also never be any transgender footballers in the men’s league
Well there might be if everyone played in their sex class, which is what seems to be happening here or am I missing something?
I'm still struggling to see how this story is problematic for women or girls.

@YourSexNotGenderIsOnFire

“There are currently no openly gay, bisexual or transgender players in the top four leagues of men’s football in England”

There are no females either. I wonder why? 🤔

Err... would you expect female players in the top four leagues of men's football in England?

Well we keep being told that there is no physical difference between men and women and that males playing in the women's sport have no unfair advantage. If that were true, a female playing in the men's sport would have just as much chance as the males.

I'll not hold my breath though while I wait for the first female to win in the men's game though...

@Floisme

There will also never be any transgender footballers in the men’s league Well there might be if everyone played in their sex class, which is what seems to be happening here or am I missing something? I'm still struggling to see how this story is problematic for women or girls.

It's not, it is an example of how things should be. Unlike the cases where the NGBs of some sports have permitted males to compete in the women's classes.

This is good but headline should just read "football tolerant of male referee wearing nail polish"

Nice to see men's football being more inclusive of gender non conforming members of the male sex class. It is however, not true that this person is the first transwoman in men's football, American Samoa has or had a transwoman on their national men's football team.

female referee will ever be considered for high league men's games

Rebecca Welch has done so. League 2, but still top 4.

www.google.com/amp/s/www.skysports.com/amp/football/news/11750/12266886/rebecca-welch-referee-makes-history-in-port-vale-win-over-harrogate-on-efl-officiating-debut

It's not, it is an example of how things should be.
Thank you, I thought it was being presented as if it were a problem and couldn't see why, but clearly I misunderstood.

@Floisme

It's not, it is an example of how things should be. Thank you, I thought it was being presented as if it were a problem and couldn't see why, but clearly I misunderstood.

The snarky tone of the opening post seems to suggest there is some sort

of problem. It's not a good look.

Yeah I can't see a problem here, although am a bit at the players admiring the nail polish, as if that cements the ref's 'lady status'.

Also, slight aside but @YourSexNotGenderIsOnFire is the best username ever!

Well I will go as far as to say that wearing nail varnish in men's football probably does take a bit of nerve.

@Floisme

Well I will go as far as to say that wearing nail varnish in men's football probably does take a bit of nerve.

True, but I wonder how many of the players in the men's team would have painted nails with the other players looking on in approval?

True, but I wonder how many of the players in the men's team would have painted nails with the other players looking on in approval?
That's a fair point but then again, maybe this is how acceptance begins?

Anyway my chief concerns are when women or girls are pushed out, or there's a safeguarding issue, or children are affected or when I'm losing the words to talk about myself or when I'm forced to state something I don't believe to be true. I can't see any of these things happening here so I'm off.