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Feminist Protest in China

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SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 15/05/2021 16:55

www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/world/2021/may/13/chinas-feminists-protest-against-wave-of-online-abuse-with-internet-violence-museum

Women in China have formed an internet violence museum.

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SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 15/05/2021 16:56

Obviously the guardian know what a woman is when it happens in Asia.

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TheThermalStair · 16/05/2021 14:48

God, I had no idea that abuse of women in the name of "patriotism" was going on in this way. I probably shouldn't be surprised tbh but those poor women. Wondering now if this happens in other countries.

SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 16/05/2021 14:57

I think China is so full of contradictions for women. Historically there's so much to unpack, but just looking at modern communist China, the role of women within it is both traditional and modern. A lot is expected of them.
I lived in a country with a huge Chinese expat community and the role of women regularly demonstrated contradictions. The communist expectation was that they work (China in modern times being a mixture of communism and capitalism) yet the role of motherhood was expected and very particular. It is an example of how women were expected to 'do it all'. The pressures on women were so woven into their national consciousness that you could see unbelievably unfair distribution of work in the home and no one would question it.
With China being so closed at the moment and tensions high there is probably even more going on than is reported.

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SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 16/05/2021 14:59

www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-55794071

This covers the refugee rape allegations a bit more.

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TheThermalStair · 16/05/2021 15:22

Yeah I'm more familiar with the Uyghur rape and other torture etc etc allegations. It was the idea of anti-woman trolling being used/encouraged by Chinese authorities that surprised me.

Anyone who protests in China is so bloody brave.

SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 16/05/2021 15:34

It's interpretation because feminism in China is closely linked with class and socialism (not unlike here). I think there's a prevalent view that being so placed means that feminism ends up being put aside in place of other goals.
Whilst not as extreme I do see parallels with socialism in the UK. Imo modern labour is very much, "We'll get to women when we sort out all the other problems."

Protesters in China are indeed very brave. I'm awed that people have the courage to put morals over self preservation. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't.

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TheThermalStair · 16/05/2021 15:50

"Imo modern labour is very much, "We'll get to women when we sort out all the other problems.""

TOTALLY, I think basically all parties (obviously except WEP) are like that. It's bloody awful.

Mumofgirlswholiketoplaywithmud · 16/05/2021 16:19

"Much of the abuse has been driven by a growing nationalistic fervour, with people criticising or drawing attention to China’s human rights issues becoming targets of major online pile-ons, or worse.

Some women who have put themselves in the public eye to draw attention to human rights issues like the abuses in Xinjiang have been targeted with faked nude photographs, threats, accusations of being traitors, separatists, and paid actors, and harassment of family members. The attacks have come from regular citizens online as well as government officials and state media.

“I was lynched in the Chinese media,” Chinese-Australian researcher Vicky Xu told Australian TV’s Q&A program in April. “Along with a lot of my peers who study Xinjiang.”

Xu said a report she produced with colleagues at the Australian Strategic Policy Institute, which implicated more than 80 international brands in forced labour, prompted the Chinese government to “go on the offensive”.

She became a trending topic on Weibo, with one story clicked on more than 9.2m times, calling her a demon and a race traitor. In an article headlined “Bewitched Vicky Xu who fabricates Xinjiang story stokes anti-China sentiment in Australia: observer”, state media tabloid the Global Times said Xu was endangering Chinese people in Australia.

Fake nude images of Xu have circulated online, her past relationships doxxed and dissected to slut-shame her, and her family and contacts in China harassed, detained and interrogated – an accusation echoed by most of the women the Guardian spoke to for this article."

SunsetBeetch · 16/05/2021 17:00

This is horrendous.

What brave, brave women, though.

ArabellaScott · 16/05/2021 19:07

It's almost like the internet is being colonised by misogynists.

SunnydaleClassProtector99 · 16/05/2021 19:48

Yes, it's interesting, I can't decide if the internet has ultimately been more of a source of evil than a force for good. It's enabled bullying, terrorism, pedaphila and misogyny like never before.

This case is particularly horrid because it's state sanctioned bullying.

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NonnyMouse1337 · 17/05/2021 11:41

The women speaking out in China are so brave in spite of the personal costs. What an awful state of affairs. Sad

OhDear2200 · 17/05/2021 12:35

Thanks for this. I find it fascinating what women are doing across the globe to tackle the description they face.

I wish they knew that there was solidarity from others far and wide.

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