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Chestfeeding book from Australian Breastfeeding Association

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DrJump · 08/05/2021 02:07

The article below is in today's The Australian.

"People who “chestfeed” are the target of a new transgender-inclusive guide from the Australian Breastfeeding Association.
The booklet, fruit of a two-year $20,000 project with the LGBTQ+ group Rainbow Families, also ­details how biological males who identify as female can chemically induce “human milk feeding”.
Conflict within the ABA has sharpened as a group of activists among the 1100-plus breastfeeding counsellors has met resistance from women who insist the organisation must not be diverted from its mother-centred mission.

One counsellor critical of the new booklet, who spoke on condition of anonymity citing the threat of complaints and disciplinary hearings, said the majority of the organisation’s members “have no idea that this is going on”.
“(They) identify very strongly as mothers, and value and love the single-sex space — the mother-to-mother space that the association has always provided,” she said.

The Queer Theory-influenced publication “undermines breastfeeding and mothers, and science and female biology, and mother-to-mother support, she said.

“It opens the door to biological males to participate in ‘human milk feeding’ with babies, and ­babies deserve better than that.”
Biological males who identify as trans women may be taking cross-sex hormones, treatment to suppress their natural testosterone, as well as the chemicals to ­induce lactation, and the health ­effects of this are unclear.

The association’s senior manager for breastfeeding information and research, Naomi Hull, said the booklet — titled Breastfeeding, Chestfeeding And Human Milk Feeding — used language tailored to the LGBTQ+ community.

The term “breastfeeding” is said to trigger the bodily discomfort of biological females who identify as men.

The prize-winning TransHub website, run by ACON, says: “Being pregnant is also not a thing that women can do, it’s a thing that people can do. Being pregnant or the ability to become pregnant doesn’t define your gender in any way, only you get to do that.”
Ms Hull said the booklet drew on “available evidence whilst encouraging parents to seek advice from their healthcare provider”.

Information aimed at a nationwide audience “continues to use the language we have always used (with) pregnant women and breastfeeding mothers”, she said.

Rainbow Families and ACON did not respond to requests for comment on Friday.

There is disagreement within the association whether the booklet will “ring-fence” or serve as a bridgehead for the activist language that has made deep inroads into the global breastfeeding body La Leche League International, which operates in more than 70 countries.

Several hospitals in Britain earlier this year formally implemented a gender-inclusive language policy in maternity service departments, which are now known as “peri-natal services”.
Staff at those hospitals were told to use “birthing parent”, “chestfeeding” and ­“father or second biological parent”.

Another counsellor, speaking anonymously, said there was pressure coming from North America. She said the “human milk feeding” term popularised by La Leche was part of a trend dehumanising women and disembodying breastfeeding.
Institutions across society are wrestling with dilemmas created by activist campaigns under the banner of diversity and inclusivity.

The anonymous ABA volunteer said a trans-inclusive focus was putting at risk the values of the organisation and the needs of tens of ­thousands of women, especially those with poor literacy or ­migrants who would be confused by arcane terminology.
“(If the association is captured) the real world effect will be that the (infant) formula industry will win because normal Australian mothers will look at the ABA and say, you’re not there for me, I don’t speak your language,” the volunteer said.

BERNARD LANEROVING EDITOR, LEADER WRITER, DATA JOURNALIST

www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/mothers-group-in-turmoil-over-chestfeeding-pressure/news-story/c3f0ca4c3c82c31b168167347f497bf2

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beingsunny · 08/05/2021 09:16

I have to say, I'm not across all of this but I am in Australia and I'm surprised this would be going ahead, there has been a huge backlash against this particular subject and it's made the headlines several time in the last couple of years.

As a woman and mother, if I was offered information on chestfeeding I would assume the information didn't apply to me as a woman. That ot had been created for a specific other target audience.

This is worrying for women.

beingsunny · 08/05/2021 09:16

I have to say, I'm not across all of this but I am in Australia and I'm surprised this would be going ahead, there has been a huge backlash against this particular subject and it's made the headlines several time in the last couple of years.

As a woman and mother, if I was offered information on chestfeeding I would assume the information didn't apply to me as a woman. That ot had been created for a specific other target audience.

This is worrying for women.

beingsunny · 08/05/2021 09:17

Apologies for the double post

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/05/2021 09:24

@LazyHorizon

Men have to barge into absolutely every millimetre of female territory, don’t they. Even maternity.

What kind of nutrients could the baby get from this “chemically induced” milk, I wonder? Could it possibly be that the baby’s health and wellbeing is an irrelevance here, because the feelings of the trans parent is all that matters?

This is an almost sociopathic narcissism and deeply disturbing.

Exactly this. I would add not only the baby’s health but the mothers too since we know that there are many significant health risks to mothers who don’t breastfeed for example increased risk of breast cancer, obesity, diabetes and osteoporosis. Not to mention the early return of menstrual cycles and fertility and possible pregnancy before having recovered from the last one.

Breastfeeding mothers also have a hormonal state which helps them cope better with stress and tiredness and too fall asleep more easily and quickly when they do have the opportunity.

All this is being taken from a mother in those circumstances where her partner instead wants to be the one in the role which should be hers alone.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 08/05/2021 09:26

I don’t understand why certain people have a problem with the word Breast. Men have breasts. Men get breast cancer. Even Shakespeare referred to a man’s breast. Breast is a perfectly gender neutral word.

Yes! I'm baffled by this.

It's abhorrent to think of a supposed breastfeeding support group facilitating male-bodied people to give a baby a substance their body only produces because of having taken a cocktail of drugs which will all pass into the breastmilk.

Breastfeeding is primarily for the benefit of the baby. There are physical and psychological benefits to women who breastfeed, but they are secondary, and in some cases outweighed by difficulties an individual woman may experience while trying to establish breastfeeding. It should always be the mother's choice whether to breastfeed or not. The role of those around her should be to support her, whatever she wants to do, and look after her while she recovers from the birth and focuses on the baby.

There are no physical benefits to a transwoman from 'breastfeeding' at all, obvious potential health risks to the baby and then there's the damage nobody ever talks about here - what about the baby's mother, who is the only person who should be breastfeeding the baby? If her partner muscles in with this demand to be involved, it could affect her own efforts to establish breastfeeding and it forces her to nod and smile and say 'yes, of course darling' to a totally unreasonable and possibly harmful request, putting her partner's wants before the baby's and her own. Huge red flag for me here.

We all know that many males struggle with finding themselves not the centre of attention once a woman is pregnant and even more so after she gives birth. Good, decent men get it. They see what their baby's mother has gone through with pregnancy and birth, they value it, and they do what they can to support her and the rest of the family if/while she breastfeeds.

There's more I could say, but I don't want this to be deleted. Angry

BellaTheDog · 08/05/2021 09:30

@beingsunny I don’t know what is going on in Australia at the moment. The amount of rubbish I hear on a daily basis is unbelievable. I was on a Facebook group the other day, of seemingly intelligent people. One person was talking about the “thousands of TW who are killed every year, just for being trans.” And people were agreeing with her! When I pointed out that NO TW were murdered last year but 20 TW murdered other people, I was deleted from the group.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 08/05/2021 09:54

I don't understand why men who want to induce lactation and "breastfeed" aren't reported to social services and investigated.

Sadly, people are justifiably frightened of reporting or investigating. Woke dogma outweighs the baby’s needs.

DaisiesandButtercups · 08/05/2021 10:08

It seems that gender identity ideology and queer theory are systematically destroying all previous safeguarding standards. Not offending individuals is now becoming more important than the safety and welfare of children it appears. It starts at birth and continues throughout the school years and on into wider society.

TheWeeDonkey · 08/05/2021 10:11

@Donitta

I don’t understand why certain people have a problem with the word Breast. Men have breasts. Men get breast cancer. Even Shakespeare referred to a man’s breast. Breast is a perfectly gender neutral word.
Its always about the breasts. They have become so sexualised that their natural function has been forgotten. Wether they need to be removed or false ones implanted it seems like they become the focus of so many trans and non binary people's identity.
Crikeycroc · 08/05/2021 10:26

Just saw this in my inbox from the ABA

Chestfeeding book from Australian Breastfeeding Association
FannyCann · 08/05/2021 10:58

"ABA continues in our strong history of focusing on the support of mothers" in which case, whilst there might be an argument for offering advice and collaboration for information for trans men with babies (although I question how many would breast feed as most appear to have had mastectomies) but they should absolutely condemn any suggestion of men inducing fake lactation to inflict a drug fuelled cocktail in the baby whilst actively harming the mother baby relationship and puerperal recovery of the woman.

Let them come out and condemn that disgusting practice before they complain about inaccuracies and being shown in a bad light.

As they said their one millionth call to their helpline clearly shows who their core customer is.

FannyCann · 08/05/2021 10:59

*on the baby

Crikeycroc · 08/05/2021 11:32

Maybe this is a one off, as they received a grant to produce this material on ‘chest feeding’. In my experience the ABA have been wonderfully supportive and knowledgeable women who have given up so much of their free time to support other mothers. I can’t imagine any of the ABA volunteers I have met having anytime for ‘chestfeeding’ induced lactation but I am quite a distance from Melbourne Confused

NotYourCisterinAus · 08/05/2021 14:42

Looking at it from a slightly different angle: why do organisations pushing this kind of stuff always claim it's for the benefit of "LGBTQ+"? I'm fairly sure that the L, the G and the B have no interest in renaming breastfeeding chestfeeding or in promoting male "lactation". This is on the T and the Q. Problem is, when the backlash comes the LGB are going to get caught in it too.

Silvetmoon · 08/05/2021 21:41

Let them come out and condemn that disgusting practice before they complain about inaccuracies and being shown in a bad light.

I’d really like to see this.

DifficultBloodyWoman · 08/05/2021 22:28

Bare with me here...

We have been told ‘breast is best’. It is a natural, chemical free way to nourish a child.

Formula is ‘bad’ because it is full of chemicals and is not natural.

Men or Transwomen ‘chest feeding’ is good because it requires lots of chemicals and artificial hormones that can be transferred through breast milk to the baby.

Cognitive dissonance?

OhHolyJesus · 10/05/2021 23:02

Sharing this here

Kate Deves is brilliant.

Thelnebriati · 10/05/2021 23:05

DifficultBloodyWoman Its only women that are shouted at for using non disposable san pro, or hormones.

DaisiesandButtercups · 11/05/2021 10:04

Thanks for the video link OhHolyJesus, some very good points made there.

I am really trying hard not to despair at the moment that so many breastfeeding counsellors, midwives and doulas are not thinking about this more critically and seem not to understand the negative impact that this supposedly “inclusive” language is having on mothers.

It is my deepest wish that those who are committed to their role of supporting, nurturing, empowering and encouraging women during the important life phase of childbearing and mothering will find their courage to speak out and to connect with each other to better stand up for women. Motherhood is tough and demanding, it requires a great deal of sacrifice and putting our children first, mothers deserve support and recognition for all that they do. It is absolutely dehumanising to reduce us to gestational carriers, birthing bodies, human milk producers and all the various other terms currently promoted by so many once trusted organisations and services.

This abandonment of centring mothers in maternity and breastfeeding is a betrayal by those we thought were there to protect, support, help and guide us.

There is zero evidence of need or any benefits of making such sweeping changes. Yet these changes are being imposed on women even in the face of protests in the form of letters to organisations or frequent threads here. Why? Why can’t birth and breastfeeding organisations stand up for women? When mothers do speak up some in those organisations declare themselves upset or angry that any woman might object to the newspeak but never explain why. The outrage is calculated to silence dissent it seems.

Courage calls to courage

FannyCann · 11/05/2021 11:17

Great post @DaisiesandButtercups
Really sums it up.
And I'm so fed up of all the women who are enabling this and ignoring the protests of less articulate women.

FannyCann · 11/05/2021 11:18

Who can't stand up for themselves so well.

(Posted too soon).

Hilarias · 11/05/2021 13:08

I’m fairly sure the long-term breastfeeding group I’m in recently got targeted by TRAs. A brand new member’s first ever post was a pretty innocuous question but referred to breastfeeding as ‘chestfeeding’ throughout. A few of the mothers asked wtf are you talking about and the poster launched into a tirade about inclusivity before Admin locked comments. The group’s posts are 50% mothers struggling with unsupportive doctors, family members or the public. I’ve found it such a helpful space. But we’re not even allowed that any more without people policing what we call what we do with our bodies.

jetadore · 13/05/2021 09:44

@Donitta

I don’t understand why certain people have a problem with the word Breast. Men have breasts. Men get breast cancer. Even Shakespeare referred to a man’s breast. Breast is a perfectly gender neutral word.
It is gender neutral to me as well but the trans lobby’s aim seems to be reinforcement of gender stereotypes. This threw me when I first encountered the trans debate as I (wrongly) assumed they were trying to remove gender stereotypes, which is something I’m generally in favour of.
Soontobe60 · 13/05/2021 09:48

They tweeted this in response to the issue
twitter.com/mcsciencey/status/1392382976533491720?s=21

OhHolyJesus · 11/07/2021 18:30

Whistleblower Sue in the DM and apparently 7 counsellors have been 'stood down' (I guess they were volunteers?) for using the word 'mother'.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-9771551/Australian-Breastfeeding-Association-offers-LGBTQI-families-men-transwomen-breastfeeding-advice.html?fbclid=IwAR1Gf-mnsmm7qr7brZJPAdza2AGYOAY6CJ9tK9FFPoZ0M0vkZLxPaXW4Q

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