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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Judge rules carers can help man pay for sex

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Tillymint2015 · 04/05/2021 21:42

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/judge-rules-carers-allowed-help-20523172

Hi, I have lurked for a while but rarely post, however I have just read this article and it makes me really uncomfortable.
A judge has ruled that carers can assist a man in their care pay for sex. The man has autism and a genetic condition and had expressed to his carer that he would like to experience sex.
I don't know what I'm trying to say, but it just poses so many questions. Will they ensure that the sex worker they find hasn't been trafficked or isn't being exploited. It just seems as if women are being treated as a commodity.

OP posts:
OhHolyJesus · 22/10/2021 18:01

"We did it 👏🏽The Court of Appeal held today that a disabled person cannot pay for sex via a carer without risk of a crime.

No one has a human right to pay for sex. Prostitution is exploitation.

Amazing team, Tony Metzer QC, @centreWJ @niaendingVAWG @KIngalaSmith Women@theWell"
https://twitter.com/drproudman/status/1451495400427360258?s=21

dolorsit · 22/10/2021 18:03

Fantastic- well done. 🙌🙌

QuentinBunbury · 22/10/2021 18:06

Well done

catzwhiskas · 22/10/2021 18:29

This is an important reversal. Well done all who made this happen

Hoardasurass · 22/10/2021 18:37

Well done. I still can't believe that this had to go to the appeal crt

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus · 22/10/2021 18:38

[quote OhHolyJesus]"We did it 👏🏽The Court of Appeal held today that a disabled person cannot pay for sex via a carer without risk of a crime.

No one has a human right to pay for sex. Prostitution is exploitation.

Amazing team, Tony Metzer QC, @centreWJ @niaendingVAWG @KIngalaSmith Women@theWell"
[[https://twitter.com/drproudman/status/1451495400427360258?s=21]][/quote]
I think this is awaiting further elaboration. As Tor Butler Cole points out, this decision concerns:

people with a mental disorder, not any disability, and was about arrangements for a particular individual that went beyond making payment.

twitter.com/TorButlerCole/status/1451498105598320640?s=20

More analysis here:

So on the face of it, this judgment makes one thing clear. It says that carers might easily find themselves committing a criminal offence under s39 if they become too involved in providing help and assistance to a person with a mental disorder.

www.gcnchambers.co.uk/re-c-the-court-of-appeals-view/

SpindelWhorl · 23/10/2021 08:13

I read this as the result being about the potentially criminal position this would put the carers in? It seemed very clear to the three Appeal judges based on sexual offences statute.

(I wonder if the original judge had 'had the training' btw from a certain group.)

sashagabadon · 23/10/2021 08:55

Good result!

Lovelyricepudding · 23/10/2021 14:51

EmbarrassingHadrosaurus although the case was about an individual with mental disorder (which could be a disability), this was not the reason why the judge ruled a carer could not organise a prostitute to supply sex without risking a criminal act. So it applies to others too.

Another point I saw was that the care agency would also have a duty of care towards the prostitute. So presumably they would have to ensure the prostitute was not at risk of catching a STD, would not suffer physical or mental harm....

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