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New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis

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TheFleegleHasLanded · 03/05/2021 11:00

I struggled to even come up with a title for this thread as I am so enraged I know I will get deleted and even banned if I say what I really think.

twitter.com/EdinRapeCrisis/status/1389112490215288832?s=20

New CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis
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MadameKali · 03/05/2021 12:56

You have got to be fucking kidding me.
What is wrong with organisations that are supposed to be there for women in crisis? This person has shown themself to be dishonest about certain things in the past. But hey-ho it's only women who gives a fuck. Validation of a minority is much more important than the safety and dignity of women. The message couldn't be clearer.

I have so many thoughts on this but not as eloquent as many FWR posters so I'll leave it there.

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Alicethroughtheblackmirror · 03/05/2021 12:59

[quote ItsAllGoingToBeFine]According to twitter (it'd be great if anyone could verify)

The new CEO of Edinburgh Rape Crisis, a transwoman, laughed at a survivor while she stood up in a meeting at the Scottish Parliament to talk about how she needed single-sex spaces; this mockery is abusive & was witnessed by MSPs. Today, @ChristinaSNP congratulated that abuser.
twitter.com/Leyanelle/status/1389176879035342850?s=19

Wadhwa sniggered and eye-rolled during a conversation about MVAW. Later MW tried to claim this was a "trauma response". If Wadhwa's uncontrollable reaction to women talking about MWAV is to giggle, perhaps this is an incredibly inappropriate job for them to take?
twitter.com/ForwomenScot/status/1389178314854703104?s=19[/quote]
This was Joan's tweet at the time. I remember seeing MW's reply claiming it was involuntary, but most of Wadhwa's tweets from then were deleted. twitter.com/JoanMcAlpine/status/1131472778228637696?s=20

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WallpaperLady · 03/05/2021 13:01

@FightingTheFoo

Incredible that they carve out "BME" women with trans women.

It is SO racist! It is just so fucking racist. And dehumanising.

BME women are still WOMEN you fucking muppets. They don't need to be carved out into a separate group with people who are not biological women.

Hear, hear 👏 👏 👏
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RosaLuxemb0urg · 03/05/2021 13:01

This is really terrible! Is there anything that can be done about this? Surely it is unlawful as well as immoral.

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littlbrowndog · 03/05/2021 13:05

It’s about pushing boundaries

If raped women and girls have no choice but to accept a man in this position

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Unsure33 · 03/05/2021 13:05

I agree this is not about the qualification for the job .

If it had no restrictions on who could apply a man could have got the post . As a CEO probably not a problem as no direct contact with victims.

so the question is WHY did they only want a woman for the post
and why does woman implicate gender not sex ?

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littlbrowndog · 03/05/2021 13:05

Oh yeah and the racism ffs

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R0wantrees · 03/05/2021 13:07

Important thread by Sarah Stuart:
twitter.com/sarahstuartxx/status/1297441056003444738

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lookingatwoodseeingtrees · 03/05/2021 13:08

@Ereshkigalangcleg

It's part of teaching us that we are not allowed to have boundaries.

This. This is what is is. This is the endgame of trans activism. Women are not allowed to be uncomfortable or have a female space. Even if abused by males, even when traumatised.

This absolutely all this is. Someone determined to take up women's space, where they KNOW they are not wanted. Funny how all that safe space woke bullshit never applies to women.
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R0wantrees · 03/05/2021 13:09

Fox Fisher
'Trans AND: Mridul | Transgender Stories'
The third film in our #TransAND​ series, this time featuring Mridul who is an outspoken feminist that fights for the rights of immigrant and migrant women and manages a rape crisis centre.

23/5/2019

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Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 03/05/2021 13:10

So should men just turn up for women only jobs in their kilts from now on? Violent threats/images on your twitter no problem either apparently.

AngryAngryAngry

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Thelnebriati · 03/05/2021 13:10

I'm so angry about this.

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ConfusedAdultFemale · 03/05/2021 13:11

“Gender” based violence? Let’s call it what it is in the very least ffs.

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justaftb · 03/05/2021 13:13

Wow. The advertisement for the role explicitly says:

'Only women need apply for the above posts under Schedule 9, Part 1 of the Equality Act 2010.'

The only women who matter anymore are women that have a penis. They matter more than women who have been violently sexually assaulted.

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Greenflygatherer · 03/05/2021 13:14

ForWomen.scot tweeted "We would be grateful if Edinburgh Rape Crisis or @scotgov would explain their legal understanding of Schedule 9 of the Equality Act with specific reference to statute rather than policy."

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eurochick · 03/05/2021 13:20

I did a sharp intake of breath when I saw the reference to BME women after trans. It's incredibly racist.

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ChakaDakotaRegina · 03/05/2021 13:21

@ConfusedAdultFemale

“Gender” based violence? Let’s call it what it is in the very least ffs.

Yep. Sex based.

If we cannot talk about sex we cannot tackle sexism and sex based violence.
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ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 03/05/2021 13:25

This was Joan's tweet at the time. I remember seeing MW's reply claiming it was involuntary

Thankyou. It really does seem that this individual is unsuited to the job regardless of their sex.

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LostToucan · 03/05/2021 13:31

@justaftb

Wow. The advertisement for the role explicitly says:

'Only women need apply for the above posts under Schedule 9, Part 1 of the Equality Act 2010.'

The only women who matter anymore are women that have a penis. They matter more than women who have been violently sexually assaulted.

Interestingly, the women only requirement wasn’t on the ERCC website job advert. Maybe it was stated in the application pack (link to that no longer works).

www.ercc.scot/ceo-vacancy/
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ArabellaScott · 03/05/2021 13:32

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons

So should men just turn up for women only jobs in their kilts from now on? Violent threats/images on your twitter no problem either apparently.

AngryAngryAngry

Ah, yes, Mridul posted the image of a goddess beheading their enemies on Twitter shortly after some horrific beheading incident, iirc.
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Ereshkigalangcleg · 03/05/2021 13:34

When similar happened in Canada (and the key difference was that the organisation said no) it led to 12 years of court battles:

www.feministcurrent.com/2012/05/14/rape-relief-v-nixon-transphobia-and-the-value-of-women-only-space-an-interview-with-lee-lakeman/

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KeepPrisonsSingleSex · 03/05/2021 13:37

I am concerned that the Board members have the bare minimum of experience in this sector.

www.ercc.scot/about-us/meet-the-team/

So many necessary skills and experience is wholly absent. This leaves the organisation in a precarious position in terms of the ability to risk assess and put in place & maintain safeguearding.

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vivariumvivariumsvivaria · 03/05/2021 13:42

A country that cannot give a raped woman whatever the fuck she wants to make her circumstances a bit less shit is not a civilised country.

I suppose the only consolation is that funding is being pulled from women's shelters in Scotland. Perhaps Mridul will be out of a job soon.

We need to rebuild our self funded shelters, don't we? Start again.

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HermioneWeasley · 03/05/2021 13:45

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Heidi1982 · 03/05/2021 13:46

@BuffysBigSister

I'm not a lawyer, but if you were a female who applied for the role and didn't get it, then found out it was given to a male even though the EA2010 exemption was called out in the advert - would you have a legal case of any kind?

As MW doesn't have a GRC they are considered male for the purposes of sex discrimination in the Equality Act 2010. So for example a better qualified woman overlooked for the job would be able to point to MW as a male comparator in arguing there has been sex discrimination. It would be good old fashioned sex discrimination where a woman is treated less favourably than a man.


I haven't get got my head around the legal effect if any of the purported reliance the Genuine Occupational Requirement exception except that it may mean that a better qualified man who was overlooked for the job might have a claim for discrimination on the grounds of (lack of) gender reassignment.
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