Murder of Julia James - where are the vigils ?

[HouseofWindsor]

Julia James murder: PCSO's uncle in plea to find killer www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-kent-56962563

Murdered in broad daylight walking her dog ? Where are the vigils ? Where are the women who are 'here for all women'

Maybe the press et al could focus on the male murderers of women for a fucking change.

Given the proximity to her home, I would suspect someone known to her. Police won't want to advertise that they can't protect their own, particularly women they employ to investigate DV. It's everything to do with her job why it hasn't been advertised by the police and family I think.

of course the vigil for SE was an outlier and many reasons have been given
in a way the murder of JJ is a polar oppoisite
she wasn't 'obeying the rules' (which are bullshit anyway)
she wasn't young/conventionally pretty
her family haven't supported/asked for a vigil (- in fact the opposite, so let's respect that)
she wasn't known to be killed by a police officer
she was a PCSO
....so the last 2 points mean there is no political advantage for certain groups in protesting her death.

I think we can remember and mourn all women's deaths at the hands of violent men. Personally I doubt her death was to do with her work, abusers target the women they are in relationships with and their familes, not IME the people supporting them. As she was a specialist she would have been well aware of measures to protect herself.

Fwiw I also think that it was not random but someone who knew her.

We don't remember and mourn all women's deaths at the hands of men.

We don't even hear about most of them.

This one interested the media as she was young good looking middle class etc

Then it was a copper.

It just was a thing that touched a nerve and got momentum at the time for a mix of reasons.

'...so the last 2 points mean there is no political advantage for certain groups in protesting her death.'

What does this mean? Yes the vigil itself got some iffy interest but in general women have had enough. The met are awful. I would have gone if I didn't have kids to look after. Would I have been looking for political advantage?

As for doubt it was to do with work. Why? I know someone who works in law enforcement who has been bombarded with stuff by a person they came into contact with, for more than 10 years. You're guessing? That that's how things work. That's not how things work especially when a man has decided to focus on a woman for whatever reason.

Good question.

What was the response when you tried to organize one?

Who is that question to?

@Astrid01

I live in the area and Julia's daughter has asked people not to have a vigil. She said the family would prefer police efforts to be focused on the investigation rather than policing a vigil. She did ask that people light a candle in remembrance though. I can't comment on the wider press reporting but this has been widely publicised in the local press and social media.

This was reported on the BBC news last night.

@NiceGerbil

Well the answer is that there are generally not vigils for any of the 2-3 women who are murdered every week. Most of them we never ever hear about.

What happened with Sarah everard was an unusual reaction. Many have said the combination of circs as to why (including me).

Not having a vigil is the standard. The fact this is being reported quite a lot and on front pages is more coverage than most women get.

As for those saying why not a vigil, surely you must all have noticed that they are very much the exception and in no way the norm? I genuinely don't really understand why people are asking this.

My thoughts exactly.

@highame

Anyway looked at the article, paywalled. By India Knight. Who has stood by her convicted sex offender husband. Is she the best person to write an article like that? So is this a 'women are responsible for men's actions' point? Am sure you didn't mean it that way, but could you explain what you did mean NiceGerbil

No, women aren’t responsible for the actions of their male partners. This is why India Knight is not referred to as a sex offender. However, of course women will be judged over how they react to abusive males. There’s a special place in hell for women who carry on relationships with men who have abused other women. Like India.

Her family asked that there be no vigils.

The SE thing was due to the attention on social media and the fact that she had mysteriously vanished. Also a lot of youngish middle class, educated, white women could see themselves in her. I include myself in this. I lived in the area of london Sarah did. I am a couple of years older than her. Her life was what my life used to be. It hit me harder than other reports of murders have. And because it’s easier for middle class women to mobilise and get media attention, the vigil and the publicity happened. Had Sarah been found straightaway without the search for her and had she been murdered by a partner, I doubt the case would have attracted so much attention. I think it’s the disappearance and search that attracts a lot of media attention. Like Joanna Yeates for instance (although there was no vigil for Joanna either).

I've just read the India Knight article. I would ask her why the conviction of some paedophiles makes the headlines, and why the convictions of others, such as her partner Eric Joyce, only makes the back pages? Manipulation of the media. She's got a bloody cheek.

I care very much about all women murdered, as do many.

There’s a special place in hell for women who carry on relationships with men who have abused other women. Like India.?

He didn't abuse other women as far as we know. He has several convictions for violence against men, one for drink driving and one for a sex offence against a one year old baby. And yes I do judge her for staying with him after he pleaded guilty to paedophilia.

@EmmaGrundyForPM

There’s a special place in hell for women who carry on relationships with men who have abused other women. Like India.?

He didn't abuse other women as far as we know. He has several convictions for violence against men, one for drink driving and one for a sex offence against a one year old baby. And yes I do judge her for staying with him after he pleaded guilty to paedophilia.

Even worse. That’s fucking sick to continue to be in a relationship with a pedophile. Yes, of course I will judge. I’m not holding her responsible for his acts but I can sure as hell voice my disapproval at how she has acted.