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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

A rose is a rose is a rose

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ArabellaScott · 29/04/2021 20:47

... by any other name, would smell as sweet.

How about a thread for poetry by/for women?

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Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 04/05/2021 08:36

Wulf and Eadwacer, written by an anonymous female Anglo-Saxon poet. 'Wulf, min Wulf' turned my heart inside out the first time I read it.

Leodum is minum swylce him mon lac gife;
willað hy hine aþecgan, gif he on þreat cymeð.
Ungelic is us.

Wulf is on iege, ic on oþerre.
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Fæst is þæt eglond, fenne biworpen.
Sindon wælreowe weras þær on ige;
willað hy hine aþecgan, gif he on þreat cymeð.
Ungelice is us.

Wulfes ic mines widlastum wenum dogode;
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þonne hit wæs renig weder ond ic reotugu sæt,
þonne mec se beaducafa bogum bilegde,
wæs me wyn to þon, wæs me hwæþre eac lað.
Wulf, min Wulf, wena me þine
seoce gedydon, þine seldcymas,
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murnende mod, nales meteliste.
Gehyrest þu, Eadwacer? Uncerne earne hwelp
bireð wulf to wuda.

þæt mon eaþe tosliteð þætte næfre gesomnad wæs,
uncer giedd geador.

To my people it is as if one offered them battle [ 1 ]:
they will receive him, if he with threat [ 2 ] comes. [ 3 ]
Unlike is it to us.
Wulf is on one island, I on another.
Fast is that island, by fen surrounded;5
fierce are the men on that island:
they will receive him, if he with threat [ 4 ] comes.
Unlike is it to us.
My Wulf’s wide-wanderings, expected, I endure.
When it was rainy weather, and I sat tearful,10
then that battle-bold [ 5 ] clasped me in arms:
delight to me, that, yet pain as well.
Wulf, my Wulf, my hopes of thee
sickened me, thy seldom-coming,
a mourning mind, not lack of food.15
Hearest thou, Eadwacer? Our [ 6 ] sorry whelp
A Wulf bears to woods.
One easily slits what never was joined:
our song together.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2021 08:41

Beautiful!

Helmetbymidnight · 04/05/2021 08:45

This is a poem by Sharon olds I found very relatable many years ago, and still do.

the race :: sharon olds
When I got to the airport I rushed up to the desk,
bought a ticket, ten minutes later
they told me the flight was cancelled, the doctors
had said my father would not live through the night
and the flight was cancelled. A young man
with a dark brown moustache told me
another airline had a nonstop
leaving in seven minutes. See that
elevator over there, well go
down to the first floor, make a right, you’ll
see a yellow bus, get off at the
second Pan Am terminal, I
ran, I who have no sense of direction
raced exactly where he’d told me, a fish
slipping upstream deftly against
the flow of the river. I jumped off that bus with those
bags I had thrown everything into
in five minutes, and ran, the bags
wagged me from side to side as if
to prove I was under the claims of the material,
I ran up to a man with a flower on his breast,
I who always go to the end of the line, I said
Help me. He looked at my ticket, he said
Make a left and then a right, go up the moving stairs and then
run. I lumbered up the moving stairs,
at the top I saw the corridor,
and then I took a deep breath, I said
goodbye to my body, goodbye to comfort,
I used my legs and heart as if I would
gladly use them up for this,
to touch him again in this life. I ran, and the
bags banged against me, wheeled and coursed
in skewed orbits, I have seen pictures of
women running, their belongings tied
in scarves grasped in their fists, I blessed my
long legs he gave me, my strong
heart I abandoned to its own purpose,
I ran to Gate 17 and they were
just lifting the thick white
lozenge of the door to fit it into
the socket of the plane. Like the one who is not
too rich, I turned sideways and
slipped through the needle’s eye, and then
I walked down the aisle toward my father. The jet
was full, and people’s hair was shining, they were
smiling, the interior of the plane was filled with a
mist of gold endorphin light,
I wept as people weep when they enter heaven,
in massive relief. We lifted up
gently from one tip of the continent
and did not stop until we set down lightly on the
other edge, I walked into his room
and watched his chest rise slowly
and sink again, all night
I watched him breathe.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 04/05/2021 08:54

Oh that's wonderful, and so moving. I lost my dad last year, he died suddenly and unexpectedly (only 64) and I never got to see him again. I felt cheated of that, so I can relate to that desperate need to get there in time.

Helmetbymidnight · 04/05/2021 08:59
Flowers

its so personal yet universal, i think.

she is brilliant on 'domestic things' - childbirth, divorce, children growing up..

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 04/05/2021 09:30

That's incredibly moving Helmet

ArabellaScott · 04/05/2021 12:36

Oh, god, Helmet, that's made me cry.

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ArabellaScott · 04/05/2021 12:36
  • Wrongside, I love that, too.
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Fernlake · 04/05/2021 12:44

Helmetbymidnight

Jeez. What a poem.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 04/05/2021 12:51

One Art
BY ELIZABETH BISHOP

The art of losing isn’t hard to master;
so many things seem filled with the intent
to be lost that their loss is no disaster.

Lose something every day. Accept the fluster
of lost door keys, the hour badly spent.
The art of losing isn’t hard to master.

Then practice losing farther, losing faster:
places, and names, and where it was you meant
to travel. None of these will bring disaster.

I lost my mother’s watch. And look! my last, or
next-to-last, of three loved houses went.
The art of losing isn’t hard to master.

I lost two cities, lovely ones. And, vaster,
some realms I owned, two rivers, a continent.
I miss them, but it wasn’t a disaster.

—Even losing you (the joking voice, a gesture
I love) I shan’t have lied. It’s evident
the art of losing’s not too hard to master
though it may look like (Write it!) like disaster.

RightOnTheEdge · 05/05/2021 22:41

I Worried
by Mary Oliver

I worried a lot. Will the garden grow, will the rivers
flow in the right direction, will the earth turn
as it was taught, and if not how shall
I correct it?

Was I right, was I wrong, will I be forgiven,
can I do better?

Will I ever be able to sing, even the sparrows
can do it and I am, well,
hopeless.

Is my eyesight fading or am I just imagining it,
am I going to get rheumatism,
lockjaw, dementia?

Finally I saw that worrying had come to nothing.
And gave it up. And took my old body
and went out into the morning,
and sang.

newrubylane · 06/05/2021 00:14

Themes for Women by Elizabeth Bishop

There is love to begin with, early love
painful and unskilled, late love for matrons
who eye the beautiful buttocks and thick hair
of young men who do not even notice them.

Parturition it figures, comes after, cataclysmic
at first, then dissolving into endless care
and rules and baths and orthodontic treatment
Speech days, Open days, shut days, exams.

There are landscapes and inscapes too, sometimes tracts
Of unknown counties, most often the one great hill
in low cloud, the waterfall, the empty sands, the few
snowdrops at the back door, the small birds flying.

Politics crop up at election time and ecology
any old time, no ocelot coats, no South African
oranges, a knowledge of the Serengeti
greater than the positioning of rubbish dumps
here in this offshore island in hard times

Seasons never go out of fashion, never will,
the coming of Spring, the dying fall
of Autumn into Winter, fine brash summers,
the red sun going down like a beach ball
into the sea. These do not escape the eyes
of women whose bodies obey the tides
and the cheese-paring sterile moon

As you might expect, death hangs around a lot.
First ageing mothers, senile father's; providing
the ham and sherry when the show is over,
examining stretched breasts to catch the process
of decay in time. In farmhouse kitchens they make
pigeon pies, weeping unexpectedly over
curved breasts among the floating feathers.
The men tread mud in after docking lambs' tails,
and smell of blood.

AMCoffeePMWine · 06/05/2021 00:45

This is a wonderful thread OP, thanks.

I’m a bereaved mum, my son was 6 when he died suddenly.

This poem, by a fellow bereaved Mum, expresses everything I can’t.

Little Elegy BY ELINOR WYLIE

Withouten you
No rose can grow;
No leaf be green
If never seen
Your sweetest face;
No bird have grace
Or power to sing;
Or anything
Be kind, or fair,
And you nowhere.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 06/05/2021 06:30
Thanks
Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 06/05/2021 06:59
Flowers
Waitwhat23 · 06/05/2021 10:31

Dangerous Coats

Someone clever once said
Women were not allowed pockets
In case they carried leaflets
To spread sedition
Which means unrest
To you & me
A grandiose word
For commonsense
Fairness
Kindness
Equality
So ladies, start sewing
Dangerous coats
Made of pockets & sedition

Sharon Owens

Waitwhat23 · 06/05/2021 10:32

Flowers to all those on this thread who have lost someone

ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 10:36

Flowers AMCoffee.

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ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 10:36

what they did yesterday afternoon

by warsan shire

they set my aunts house on fire
i cried the way women on tv do
folding at the middle
like a five pound note.
i called the boy who use to love me
tried to ‘okay’ my voice
i said hello
he said warsan, what’s wrong, what’s happened?

i’ve been praying,
and these are what my prayers look like;
dear god
i come from two countries
one is thirsty
the other is on fire
both need water.

later that night
i held an atlas in my lap
ran my fingers across the whole world
and whispered
where does it hurt?

it answered
everywhere
everywhere
everywhere.

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HerRoyalRisesAgain · 06/05/2021 10:43

Blatant self promotion here... I write poetry. Although I'm definitely not famous.
This one is called in the darkness.
It's about my battle with psychosis.

The lights are out,
There's no one else home,
The darkness engulfs me,
I feel all alone.

It's quiet in the dark,
The silence screams,
But the voices continue,
I dont know what they mean.

They tell me my secrets,
They know what I hide,
They tell me I'm worthless,
That I'm broken inside.

I want to let it go,
I want rid of the fear,
But no one can help me,
There's no one else here,

Here in the darkness,
Here I know myself,
Too deeply for comfort,
Too scared to seek help.

But I wish I could let it go,
To rid myself of this sorrow,
Rid myself of this pain,
So I'll try again tomorrow

Maybe when the dark subsides,
When the light comes through again,
Maybe then I'll feel better,
And no longer feel this pain.

When morning arrives,
When there are people around,
I can ignore the voices,
And maybe then I'll be found

ArabellaScott · 06/05/2021 10:44

Another one from Warsan Shire - 'the ugly daughter'

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HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 06/05/2021 10:52

 Thanks AMCoffeePMWine

ThanksHerRoyalRisesAgain

Some wonderful poems here, thank you. I love Dangerous Coats Waitwhat23!

2Olives1Onion · 06/05/2021 11:10

Flowers to everyone here who has experienced the loss of someone irreplaceable, and to everyone battling to be treated as fully human, to access the resources every human should be able to do, to live a good life. And to everyone discouraged by how the world still, and always, hates women: I'm with you.

But there IS hope, and I want to post a poem of hope:

Tomorrow’s Daughters,
by Lebogang Mashile

I want to write a poem
About pretty black girls
Who don’t relax and lie their dreams away;
Voices that curl
The straight edges of history
Hair-thin slices of a movement
Turning the world kinky.

I respect the disciplined silent screamers
Who expose the holes.
Emily Dickinson, I am climbing through
To your wooden shed of isolation
Where the robin’s song
Robbed you of your sanity.
I revere people to my own detriment:
Perhaps you did, too.

But when I enter your hallowed hearth,
Please don’t turn me away.
I want to show pretty black girls
How to look at their hearts
With eyes blaring at full blast
The way you did.

Together, we can build a bridge
To the promise in their faces
And pull them towards poems
By pretty black girls
Wearing crowns of change.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 06/05/2021 11:22

That's wonderful 2Olives1Onion ♥️

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 06/05/2021 11:30

An Obsessive Combination Of Onotological Inscape, Trickery And Love - Anne Sexton

Busy, with an idea for a code, I write
signals hurrying from left to right,
or right to left, by obscure routes,
for my own reasons; taking a word like writes
down tiers of tries until its secret rites
make sense; or until, suddenly, RATS
can amazingly and funnily become STAR
and right to left that small star
is mine, for my own liking, to stare
its five lucky pins inside out, to store
forever kindly, as if it were a star
I touched and a miracle I really wrote.