Meet the Other Phone. Only the apps you allow.

Meet the Other Phone.
Only the apps you allow.

Buy now

Please or to access all these features

Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Ann Sinnott

47 replies

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 29/04/2021 10:10

The work of Ann Sinnott and the AEA in holding the EHRC to account for their misstatement of the law is vital. I wonder if that helped encourage their positive intervention in the MF case.

The AEA has its own case running.
twitter.com/annmsinnott/status/1386232796079853568?s=21

I think any spare veg would be appreciated

OP posts:
Helleofabore · 05/05/2021 10:58

Bump again

Leafstamp · 05/05/2021 11:13

For anyone new to this, Ann Sinnott is founder/Director of:

aealliance.co.uk/

They are brining a legal case to ensure that EA2010 guidance accurately reflects the Act.

More info from the Crowd Justice page:

The Complainant is Authentic Equity Alliance (AEA), a Community Interest Company established to promote and further the interests of women and girls. The first Defendant is EHRC. The second Defendant is the Minister for Women and Equalities, who has responsibility for GEO.

In the context of a concern that guidance issued by EHRC and GEO should reflect the law, AEA fully supports the protection of transsexual people's rights (to use the EA2010 term) under existing equality legislation. What is at issue is an appropriate balance with the existing rights of women, where and when there is a conflict between those two sets of rights.

This isn’t a case about an individual woman who has undergone harassment and discrimination with whom we can identify and sympathise, who tugs our heart strings and opens our purses.

This case is dry and technical. It’s about rectifying unlawful application and wrongful interpretation of the law. It appeals to our sense of justice, our intellect rather than our capacity for empathy.

But this case also has many human faces and facets.

Each and every one of the legal actions for which we have gladly dipped into our purses to support, was made necessary because of a misinterpretation and misapplication of the law. Longstanding unlawful guidance, from the very entities that are responsible for overseeing equalities in the UK, created the situations that led to all past and current legal actions.

Unlawful guidance has enabled all the dreadful situations in which women find themselves.
Every female academic silenced and threatened with loss of tenure, every woman harassed in her workplace or sacked from her job, every author silenced or dropped by her publisher, every woman cancelled, every woman cheated of the trophy or award that was rightfully hers, every domestic violence refuge coercively threatened with loss of funding and forced into being ‘inclusive’, every woman insulted on social media for merely stating a belief in biological reality, every fear-filled woman silencing herself – all of these facilitated by unlawful guidance.

Organisations instating ‘gender neutral’ toilets and changing rooms, schools doing the same despite rocketing rates of sexual assaults and rapes in schools (even at primary levels) and in our hospitals, psychiatric as well as medical, single-sex wards being changed to mixed-sex to the deep dismay of patients, men as well as women - all facilitated by unlawful guidance.

Unlawful guidance lies at the root of it all and that’s why this case is vital and of fundamental importance.

The EHRC and GEO must be held to account. Official guidance must be clear and accurate. The law must be adhered to and properly applied.

Manderleyagain · 05/05/2021 14:07

Does anyone know if Anne will be arguing that guidence still being produced/disseminated by geo and ehrc is unlawful as well, or only that previous (now withdrawn) guidence was unlawful, and is therefore found in other orgs guidence and policies? The wording of the crowdfunder suggests the latter, but I'm wondering.

CardinalLolzy · 05/05/2021 15:28

Will this be the sort of thing that can/will be live-tweeted tomorrow? I'd like to get a handle on the arguments etc.

CardinalLolzy · 05/05/2021 15:31

I must admit I'm only now starting to familiarise myself with this but it's very much in my wheelhouse!

“Service providers should be aware that where a transsexual person is visually and for all practical purposes indistinguishable from a non-transsexual person of that gender, they should normally be treated according to their acquired gender, unless there are strong reasons to the contrary.”

This is an absolute doozy - they (the defendants) are encouraging discrimination based on how someone looks?!

Leafstamp · 05/05/2021 15:57

It might be too late, but there is an email address if you want to attend remotely here: twitter.com/AnnMSinnott

I haven't seen any info on live tweeting, but hopefully someone will.

PaleBlueMoonlight · 05/05/2021 16:25

This is so important.

Mulletsaremisunderstood · 05/05/2021 16:58

Gonna dig again for this later in the week when I get paid - she's almost at her target, but it's such an important case. Go Ann!!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/05/2021 18:01

This is an absolute doozy - they (the defendants) are encouraging discrimination based on how someone looks?!

Yep.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 05/05/2021 18:02

Also, given that the majority of MTF trans people are highly clockable, that implies they are expected not to access women's spaces.

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 05/05/2021 18:04

have just dug - although checking, is CrowdJustice the one we don't give the additional money to, or was that a different one?

MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 05/05/2021 18:04

there's so many different veg patches needing carrots, it's difficult to keep up sometimes Blush

TofuDelights · 05/05/2021 19:42

Dug again, thanks for the reminder.

EmpressWitchDoesntBurn · 05/05/2021 19:47

Dug too. And yes about CrowdJustice.

boatyardblues · 05/05/2021 20:28

Is anyone live tweeting from the hearing tomorrow?

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/05/2021 08:06

A few people have asked AS about live tweeting but no news yet.

OP posts:
EmbarrassingAdmissions · 06/05/2021 09:38

@ChazsBrilliantAttitude

A few people have asked AS about live tweeting but no news yet.
Does it depend on who is hearing the case?

Or who managed to register for it who can also live tweet?

BettyFilous · 06/05/2021 09:52

There’s another thread where this has been posted:

Twitter live tweeting of case via #AEAvEHRC and #IStandWithAnnSinnott

ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/05/2021 09:53

I think members of the public still technically need permission from the judge but journalists don’t. As a general rule judges don’t seem to be bothered and will give permission unless there are reporting restrictions / children involved etc.

OP posts:
ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/05/2021 09:55

Thanks Betty

twitter.com/sexmattersorg/status/1390224780557750273?s=21

OP posts:
ChazsBrilliantAttitude · 06/05/2021 09:57

Follow this thread for commentary during the day
www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4237456-Ann-Sinnott-of-Authentic-Equity-Alliance-vs-EHRC-Judicial-Review-of-incorrect-Equality-Act-guidance

OP posts:
MyVisionsComeFromSoup · 06/05/2021 10:18

@EmpressWitchDoesntBurn

Dug too. And yes about CrowdJustice.
Thanks Empress - I had removed the extra payment, but then started over thinking it!
New posts on this thread. Refresh page