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BBC undermining women again

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ChristinaXYZ · 26/04/2021 18:46

Exhibit A - podcast reducing women to their finger nail choices and then trolling them by interviewing a transwoman on the subject (www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p09fk5t5). Nothing wrong in transwomen having an interest in painting their nails or nail art or anything else. The problem is that no due diligence done on the said transwoman who has posted sexually aggressive comments to those who don't agree with her (serious unpleasantness warning on this tweet)

twitter.com/injiduducu/status/1386432422594502664 (that's a screenshot of the unpleasant tweet but to prove it did happen the original is here twitter.com/Charlie_Craggs/status/1135239637671251970 but the BBC couldn't find this themselves it would seem).

And then Woman's Hour (not a word on Maya Forstater's case btw) chooses this of all podcasts to push on its presumably mainly female audience

twitter.com/BBCWomansHour/status/1386417505506267136

I really want to support the BBC, they do so much a commercial broadcaster couldn't or wouldn't, but daily they make it more difficult.

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Chrysanthemum5 · 26/04/2021 18:52

I used to really support the bbc but as time goes on with their appalling sexism I just can't be bothered. It could disappear tomorrow

HermioneWeasley · 26/04/2021 18:54

No wonder Jenni Murray left if this was the sort of shit she was expected to do. What a travesty.

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 26/04/2021 18:57

Superficial, stereotypical nonsense and comes across as deliberate trolling in the week Maya F's appeal is being heard. Are there no serious journalists left at WH?

Ifyourefeelingsinister · 26/04/2021 19:00

It's complete gaslighting.

Helleofabore · 26/04/2021 19:16

Yes. That any production team of the bbc would include this person after expressing such a sentiment (bbc podcast, interview panel, whatever) , is rather worrying.

SunsetBeetch · 26/04/2021 19:31

Oh just fuck off with this vacuous, gaslighting nonsense, BBC!

HecatesCatsInFancyHats · 26/04/2021 19:38

@Helleofabore

Yes. That any production team of the bbc would include this person after expressing such a sentiment (bbc podcast, interview panel, whatever) , is rather worrying.
Really disappointed in Emma Barnett, a presenter with her clout will definitely be able to have a say in editorial direction. This choice of subject matter and guest merely seems to underline what GC feminists have been saying - this is woman-face, based on stereotypes of womanhood.
persistentwoman · 26/04/2021 19:49

That twitter thread is a thing of glory tho Grin.

nauticant · 26/04/2021 20:03

There's already been one thread deleted in FWR discussing this. I hope your thread fares better ChristinaXYZ.

Scoldsidle · 26/04/2021 20:11

Charlie was having a right laugh with Lorraine Kelly at National Student Pride this week too. Their Instagram is quite a hoot in an end-of-the-pier kind of way. They have quite a caustic sense of humour. This was a rant posted on Twitter angrily laying in to Suzanne Moore on IWD last year. I actually have some sympathy for Charlie despite the rants and their nailbar project has its heart in the right place - even though I’m obviously not a proper woman because the idea of going to a nail bar is akin to going to a health spa for me - my idea of hell on earth Grin

WhereYouLeftIt · 26/04/2021 20:13

I don't think the BBC understands the damage they are doing to their reputation. Once I've spotted a distortion in their coverage of one topic, I start wondering what OTHER distortions they have snuck past me because it's on a topic I don't have independent knowledge off. It really makes me question their output on EVERYTHING Sad.

I used to trust them. Now, not so much.

Scoldsidle · 26/04/2021 20:14

Can’t attach screen grab for some reason - sorry.

WeRoarSometimes · 26/04/2021 20:19

There are so many pertinent issues affecting women at the moment. Women have also been disproportionately affected by the Covid19 pandemic.
Is there nothing more topical or current that could have been discussed rather than our nails?

The BBC narrative for women at the moment is either reducing us to the male gaze of what it means to be a women - vanity or reducing us to our reproductive organs and normalising surrogacy.

JulesJules · 26/04/2021 20:56

I must have missed the earlier thread. Yes, you'd think they could have considered covering for example Maya Forster's appeal, or something on lesbian visibility week etc rather than "nail transphobia" . I've never been to a nail bar. Am I womanning wrong?

JustcameoutGC · 26/04/2021 21:02

I was asked to fill in a questionnaire on how I view the BBC - guess what my response was? I suspect they will file my meticulously evidence based feedback in the 'transphobic loony' bin

PurgatoryOfPotholes · 26/04/2021 21:11

Nail bars, eh?

I don't go in nail bars because I'm worried about supporting modern slavery. Was this discussed on WH?

Article follows, taken from www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/05/nail-bars-modern-slavery-discount-salons-booming-exploitation

In 2016,more beauty and grooming salons openedin the UK than any other independent business.Latest figures showthat women on average have 10 pedicures a year and spend £994 per annum on beauty treatments. Men are increasingly getting in on the act, spending on average £779 per year. I am not one of those women, but my terrible nails are a good talking point when I go into nail bars tospot signsof slavery and exploitation.

These visits are part of the work of thesouth-west’s Anti-Slavery Partnership. Partners from law enforcement, statutory agencies and the voluntary sector come together to investigate businesses in which slavery and exploitation may be occurring. We try to make sure that people who may be victims of exploitation are aware of their rights and that there are agencies out there who are able to help. We know that exploiters and traffickers often keep their victims isolated from the community in which they work in order to exert control over them.

One of those visits led to the UK’sfirst successful prosecution of modern slaveryinvolving minors earlier this week in Bath, where two people were jailed after forcing children trafficked from Vietnam to work in nail bars.

Budget nail bars have taken our high streets by storm. Cheaper than traditional beauty salons, with no appointment required, they appeal to our insatiable desire for a bargain, need for instant gratification and the modern necessity to feel good about ourselves. And we want all of this without interacting with the person behind the mask providing our treatment.

But this desire for cheap service can fuel modern slavery. The current estimate is that there are40 million slavesworldwide – and it is often unclear what practical steps an individual can take to avoid using “slave labour” in pursuing our beauty regimes.

The reality is that it is the people using the nail bars who can provide the best information as to what is happening there.Familiarise yourself with the warning signs, report anything suspicious and make informed choices about the beauty salons you visit.

Ourpurchasing decisions hold power. If more of us are using nail bars, we need to understand the implications of what we are potentially participating in.

Regulation and licencing of nail bars islargely voluntaryand, outside of a few London boroughs, this lack of regulation allows exploitative practices to continue. It is suggested that in some budget and discount nail bars no background or training checks of the technicians are conducted. Additionally, some nail bars use chemicals which,while not illegal in the UK, are not considered best practice. Warnings of allergic reactions and permanent damage to nails are concerning – and that is before we consider the potential issues of slavery, trafficking and exploitation among the workforce delivering the treatments.

It may cost more to visit a legitimate salon, but surely it’s worth doing your bit to eradicate slavery, reduce crime in your area – and support businesses who are trying to do things in the right way?

Kate Garbers is managing director of the anti-slavery organisation Unseen

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2018/jan/05/nail-bars-modern-slavery-discount-salons-booming-exploitation

TedImgoingmad · 26/04/2021 23:29

Women's Hour has become Handmaid's Hour.

1/3 of convictions of women in the UK are for non payment of the TV licence fee.

The BBC is not fit for purpose. If it disappeared tomorrow, I wouldn't care.

oldwomanwhoruns · 27/04/2021 08:02

Emailing Woman's Hour right now... Angry

AfternoonToffee · 27/04/2021 08:33

Just looked at the Twitter link, as usual the counter arguments are just name calling and abuse. Seriously start stringing together sentences and you may get somewhere.

Terranean · 27/04/2021 08:41

@TedImgoingmad

1/3 of convictions of women in the UK are for non payment of the TV licence fee.

Is that right? I would request a program about that in WH when I fill in my complaint

TedImgoingmad · 27/04/2021 09:46

Terranean

From the ONS 2017 report on Women and the Criminal Justice System

Females accounted for 72% of prosecutions for TV license evasion in 2017. TV license evasion was the most common offence for which females were prosecuted for. In 2017, TV license evasion accounted for 30% of all female prosecutions, compared to 4% of male prosecutions.

www.gov.uk/government/statistics/women-and-the-criminal-justice-system-2017

TedImgoingmad · 27/04/2021 09:58

Not sure whether prosecution results in conviction, hopefully that info is somewhere in the link. The main point is that women are being dragged into the criminal justice system disproportionately, for a compulsory fee that is completely anachronistic, to prop up an institution that currently seems to hate women.

Helleofabore · 27/04/2021 12:28

I have seen some activists who are very busy attempting to 'normalise' the phrase that the interviewee tweeted after obviously seeing the backlash from women calling out the violent nature of that person's tweet. They are calling for people to join in tweeting the phrase.

ummm. no. It is a violent phrase, used against females all the time who are speaking about upholding their rights. It will never be appropriate.

ChristinaXYZ · 28/04/2021 10:58

@Helleofabore

I have seen some activists who are very busy attempting to 'normalise' the phrase that the interviewee tweeted after obviously seeing the backlash from women calling out the violent nature of that person's tweet. They are calling for people to join in tweeting the phrase.

ummm. no. It is a violent phrase, used against females all the time who are speaking about upholding their rights. It will never be appropriate.

Seriously? I'm not search for that phrase but that beggars belief.
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macj1 · 30/04/2021 15:15

To Woman's hour: I will never be able to have my nails done again, following your interview with a transwoman on this subject - one who had suggested that we 'choke on his girl-dick' on social media. Every time I pass a salon that phrase will jump into my mind.

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