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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Help me write to school about this LGBT+inclusion homework

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Aprilfoolaround · 25/04/2021 09:38

I've just been checking through my year 7 daughter's homework and found this survey. It's optional. I am really passed off about it as the possible answers are not even correct in some cases. Dd had to ask Alexa the answers so god knows what ages answered but essentially she didn't understand what she was being asked. She's very scientific minded and as GC as a 12 year old can be I think. Her 14 year old sister doesn't get it either. I'm not sure I can attach all the screenshots so might have to put them in a collage.

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toffeebutterpopcorn · 25/04/2021 10:44

I assume the school is stonewalled?

R0wantrees · 25/04/2021 10:46

It needs to be referred to SLT and/or governors.

Its inappropriate, inaccurate and contrary to Department of Education's guidance.

Mollymalone123 · 25/04/2021 10:50

What a load of baloney- seriously? I’m so glad my children are grown up-

Aprilfoolaround · 25/04/2021 10:57

I don't know if they are stonewalled-how would I find out?
I've had several conversations with school before and asked them to keep dds out of any trans related things. Dd has been labelled transphobic for saying no one can change sex and pulled up on incorrect pronouns. School know I am GC and I suspect I am views as "that parent" but I don't care as I'm not having my dc taught ideology as fact.

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toffeebutterpopcorn · 25/04/2021 10:58

There used to be a list in the stonewall site listing the schools. Thank god ours isn’t - it’s refreshingly open eyed and talks about sexism (as well as other isms).

toffeebutterpopcorn · 25/04/2021 11:00

And I’m sure you aren’t ‘that parent’. I’ve been following the recent developments in the Post Office saga - all those charges were told ‘you are the only one with a problem’. I’m sure they all through they were ‘that’ person too, but were actually one of hundreds if not thousands.

334bu · 25/04/2021 11:01

Incredibly ableist. Totally misrepresenting VSD and could be very upsetting to any child with one of these conditions. Appalling piece of homework and should be strongly challenged.

AnyOldPrion · 25/04/2021 11:02

It's like asking a non-religious person if they love Jesus and to rate how much, without a "non-religious" option.

Exactly this. And paired with the incorrect information about DSDs, I think I would be complaining, probably using something from the Safe Schools Alliance. I really don’t think I could ignore it. I would consider it an attempt to brainwash my children in the same way others felt their children were being pushed into religion because they sang hymns and did prayers in assembly, except to me this feels worse because it’s being presented as if it’s scientifically factual.

R0wantrees · 25/04/2021 11:06

The question about intersex (DSD) conditions is particularly concerning as this demonstrates the common appropriation and misrepresentation by trans rights' activists.

People with DSDs are all female or male sex and these conditions have nothing to do with gender/gender identity.
Furthermore the specific and disparate conditions forced together often have little in common.
Teachers should not be involved in the spreading of false information to year 7 pupils.

morningtoncrescent62 · 25/04/2021 11:07

I'd try to find out what the school intends to do with the answers. It's a long shot, but just possible that they're 'openers' which will be used to prompt discussion of common misunderstandings. That's something I'd like to see schools doing, in an age-appropriate way, of course - because kids are exposed to all this language, and it's important that schools help them to understand it critically. It's a long time since my DDs were that age so I might have lost track of what's appropriate for early secondary children, though, and sadly I think it's unlikely that's what the school is doing. Could you give them the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to explain, before seeking to put them right?

ValancyRedfern · 25/04/2021 11:08

Even non 'Stonewalled' schools are teaching gender ideology as fact. I have to teach a lesson on it in a few weeks. Am gearing myself up to challenge it....

andyoldlabour · 25/04/2021 11:33

I shudder to think that an educational establishment formulated those questions and possible answers. The conflation of sex, gender and sexuality is alarming.

WarriorN · 25/04/2021 11:37

Schools usually have to apply and go through a school audit, identify areas to work on and then follow a plan for a year or so or demonstrate how you meet certain "standards" to get a quality mark, which stonewall provides I believe. As do others eg the proud trust.

So it could be the first step and wouldn't yet be on "the list."

Eg to be a Rights Respecting School for UNICEF, you have to demonstrate it in various areas, evidence and fill in a load of forms before you can get your stamp and be on the list.

WarriorN · 25/04/2021 11:38

I've done quality marks for other things and the first step is an audit.

WarriorN · 25/04/2021 11:39

Also, pshe stuff like this is usually handed over to the younger teachers to run.

Silvergreen · 25/04/2021 11:40

Where's the L and G? LGBT is being completely colonised by gender issues. Even typing LGBT on my phone brings up the pink and blue trans flag first. It's just so weird.

AdaFuckingShelby · 25/04/2021 11:40

I'm also wondering why intersex is in a questionnaire about sexuality. Its not a sexuality and neither is trans.

Warmduscher · 25/04/2021 11:43

If they’re trying to gauge the level of knowledge and understanding in the school they’d do well to start with whoever designed the questions.

Silvergreen · 25/04/2021 11:43

I'm a lesbian and I'm not even sure if I should tick yes to being a member of the LGBT community anymore. 🙄

VoluminousVagina · 25/04/2021 11:45

It is a serious concern that your dd has been called transphobic for stating that people can’t change sex - please tell me a teacher didn’t say that to her?

R0wantrees · 25/04/2021 11:47

Could you give them the benefit of the doubt, and a chance to explain, before seeking to put them right?

It needs challenging quickly.
These are year 7 pupils (children age 11-12), not sixth formers.

PermanentTemporary · 25/04/2021 11:50

I think if your dd doesn't know, advise her to tick 'i don't know' or leave it blank. Encourage her to be honest.

Then I would go to the school and ask what the hell the end goal is with this task.

Ithinkyoucan · 25/04/2021 11:52

This is a political and ideological stance being disguised as 'education'.
You should challenge it on these grounds. Pan sexual only exists if you believe in the modern notion of gender identity. Ditto non-binary. Its fine to teach them as something people believe, and their (recent) history, just as one would with any other secular or religious belief system. But they are not facts, they are not real variants in the wonderful world of human identity which we can see recorded throughout history and culture, as we can with homosexuality or men presenting/dressing as women. They are modern social constructions. Not newly discovered variants in the foundation of the human condition.

Also - they confuse gender and sex. This, and its implications, not least for clear communication, needs to be pointed out.

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 25/04/2021 11:56

If she is going to fill it in (and you did say it's voluntary) then at least she shouldn't be googling or asking Alexa the answers. There's 'I don't know' options so just choose those

It being presented as 'homework' seems to have made her think she needs to find the 'right' answers but it reads as an opinion survey so she should be free to put her real opinion or 'I don't know'

Or 'spoil the ballot paper' somehow eg tick other on everything and write 'why am I being asked to do this?'

CovoidOfAllHumanity · 25/04/2021 12:00

It also says parents can fill it in....

This does look to be preparatory for a full on re-education programme so definitely reiterate that you don't consent to your child being indoctrinated

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