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Justice for men and boys (and the women who love them)

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Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 18:08

Whilst doing some research today, I came across a "lovely" gentleman called Mike Buchanan. Former leader of a political party for men's rights. He was succeeded by a woman in 2020, and I can't seem to find out what has happened to him since. If anyone has any information on how much of an impact he made, I'd love to know.

Buchanan has said he established the party because "the state is anti-male"[20] and considers the male sex to be "pretty much subhuman".[6] According to him, "legislation is routinely drafted to advantage women and disadvantage men" while "boys are being relentlessly disadvantaged by an ever more feminized education system".[21] He has also formed such groups as the Anti-Feminism League and Men Shouldn’t Marry.[22]

The party issues awards for "lying feminist of the month" to female journalists,[6] "toxic feminist of the month" and "whiny feminist of the month".[26][27] Its website includes a link to an article entitled "13 reasons women lie about being raped".[27][20]

In its manifesto for the 2015 general election, the party explored twenty areas in which it believes the human rights of men and boys in the UK are being violated.[18] In this document, the party advocated compulsory paternity tests, cutting funds intended to encourage women to enter science, and cutting the abortion limit for women whose pregnancy threatens their mental health from 24 to 13 weeks.[24] Parents should be able to send their sons to schools with only male teachers because female teachers are assumed to favour girls in the awarding of marks.[29] They also advocate that men should be able to retire earlier than women, because males work harder and die younger.[23] The section on sexual abuse concentrates on female offenders, and the issue of rape and assaults annually committed against women in the UK is avoided.[30] The higher level of male suicide is blamed on the state for favouring women over men.[7]

Are there actually any political parties making their way to the top with this shit??

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NotTerfNorCis · 20/04/2021 18:16

I used to argue with this guy and his mates. They gave me a 'gormless feminist' award! They actually stood for election in Nottingham and got about 200 votes total. Buchanan has stepped back now.

Soubriquet · 20/04/2021 18:22

Poor men. Everyone is out to get them doncha you?

Us pesky women keep trying to put then in their place

Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 18:26

So parties like this aren't being taken too seriously? I'm new to politics etc and I'm trying to understand it more. I was reading it all with my mouth wide open, thinking, surely these people never make it far enough to actually cause damage. Who were the 200 people! 🤦‍♀️

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ErrolTheDragon · 20/04/2021 18:32

Party? I doubt even a piss-up in a brewery.

AssassinatedBeauty · 20/04/2021 18:32

They fielded two candidates in one election and got around 200 votes, which was less than 1 percent of the available votes. Their party is not taken seriously at all. They have very few paying members and don't have the financial clout to promote themselves in the mainstream. Thankfully.

Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 18:34

@NotTerfNorCis 'gormless feminist' award! Well done on your achievement. Did you add it to your CV?

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NotTerfNorCis · 20/04/2021 18:37

So parties like this aren't being taken too seriously?

There was a time about six or seven years ago when they seemed to be getting a lot of publicity. J4MB was the main British group, then there was A Voice for Men over in America. A lot of feminists seemed to be arguing with them on social media. J4MB staged a protest on Nottingham University campus, and the student feminist group was quite worried. Mike Buchanan was on TV occasionally. He always sounded like he was talking from his own personal script when he was supposed to be debating someone.

It seemed to me that it mostly faded away when genderism started to take off. I can only say from my point of view, but I started to notice the feminists who'd been fighting MRAs taking sides on genderism and gradually leaving the MRAs behind.

CarmelBeach · 20/04/2021 18:37

I knew the name rang a bell

The manifesto isn't there any more, I'm sure I saw one....but here's a link to Daily Mirror article.

www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/mike-buchanan-leader-justice-men-5046517

I'm guessing the cause is more palatable if fronted by a woman but yes, god knows what he thinks of that.

NotTerfNorCis · 20/04/2021 18:38

Well done on your achievement. Did you add it to your CV?

I'm sorry to say I had to share it with another gormless feminist who dared contradict the Mighty Buchanan at the same time.

Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 18:39

That's good news. I kind of knew it was probably not something to worry too much about. There was just a tiny bit of me that was wondering what if? It's still depressing to see the amount of effort he put into letting everyone know how much he hates women and girls, though.

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CarmelBeach · 20/04/2021 18:40

Oh, he's on Twitter and Patreon

twitter.com/MikeBuchanan11?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

Sophoclesthefox · 20/04/2021 18:49

Am pretty sure he used to pop up on MN from time to time, when he got a Google alert, and would proceed to make an absolute arse of himself Grin

Maybe he will again.

CarmelBeach · 20/04/2021 18:52

@Mumblebee20

That's good news. I kind of knew it was probably not something to worry too much about. There was just a tiny bit of me that was wondering what if? It's still depressing to see the amount of effort he put into letting everyone know how much he hates women and girls, though.
Wondering what if what?
Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 18:55

Sorry, What if people like that had enough backing and donations to get somewhere with the shit they spew out. @Sophoclesthefox ohh really? 😆 I'm bored, so would be some entertainment, I suppose!

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CuriousaboutSamphire · 20/04/2021 19:38

@Sophoclesthefox

Am pretty sure he used to pop up on MN from time to time, when he got a Google alert, and would proceed to make an absolute arse of himself Grin

Maybe he will again.

Oh god. I remember him! Posting a reply was like trying to nail jelly to the ceiling.
WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo · 20/04/2021 19:41

Just looked at his twatter feed, no likes, no comments, no interest. Pointless waste of space. Which is nice news.

EyesOpening · 20/04/2021 19:42

Bloody hell!
I know some men like to control women but how does "cutting the abortion limit for women whose pregnancy threatens their mental health from 24 to 13 weeks" show that "the human rights of men and boys in the UK are being violated"?

EyesOpening · 20/04/2021 19:44

I mean address it, not show it Blush

Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 20:14

I just had at look at his twitter @WellIWasInTheNeighbourhoo you're right, literally no interaction. Why does he carry on then?? 😄 I did have a laugh at his 'men want reparations for eve eating the apple' Post. Apparently payment in sandwiches is fine at the moment as they understand it will take a long time to pay 🤣 I'm pretty confident now, that he is not a threat!

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NotTerfNorCis · 20/04/2021 21:21

I know some men like to control women but how does "cutting the abortion limit for women whose pregnancy threatens their mental health from 24 to 13 weeks" show that "the human rights of men and boys in the UK are being violated"?

J4MB (and MRAs in general) wanted to cut back abortion rights while at the same time making it more difficult in every way for a single mother to raise her child. E.g. roll back maternity rights, make it optional for men to pay child support, allow businesses to discriminate against women on the grounds that they might get pregnant etc. It never bothered them that the child thrown into poverty by all this might be a boy. At the same time, MRAs were all for prostitution. Sounds a bit like another political group in that respect.

Paternity tests was another big thing. MRAs were very worried about two things: one was false rape claims, the other was women lying about the father of their child. A lot of their focus was on protecting men from these 'liars'.

EyesOpening · 20/04/2021 21:52

"J4MB (and MRAs in general) wanted to cut back abortion rights while at the same time making it more difficult in every way for a single mother to raise her child. E.g. roll back maternity rights, make it optional for men to pay child support, allow businesses to discriminate against women on the grounds that they might get pregnant etc." so just basically making life much more difficult for women, means that men can then steam in there and take the opportunities?

Mumblebee20 · 20/04/2021 21:56

It really highlights what women are up against. I know he didn't have a huge amount of backing publicly, but I do wonder how many others silently agreed with him and just didn't want to out themselves.

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NiceGerbil · 20/04/2021 22:05

Interesting question.

No they don't get much support.

However.

I do think that a very large number of men harbour feelings of resentment towards women generally. Loads don't like eg girls into STEM type stuff or women only prizes.

Others don't like eg single sex swimming and say it's very unfair and sexist (they never want men only sessions, just for women not to have them).

Plenty of men and women think feminism has 'gone too far'.

Things like metoo, and I saw this at work with 'nice' family men going in the space of a week
Omg that's awful why didn't they say
That's too many some must be lies/ exaggerations
I can't even look at a woman any more!!

Etc etc

So no he won't get many votes it public support but many might sympathise with some of his views

OnWednesdaysWeWearMink · 21/04/2021 13:27

“^^Paternity tests was another big thing. MRAs were very worried about two things: one was false rape claims, the other was women lying about the father of their child. A lot of their focus was on protecting men from these 'liars'.”

Jesus their policies are insane! And what did they propose if the paternity test showed the poor, disadvantaged man was indeed the father? Can he then just decide he doesn’t want to pay child support anyway?

I wonder if these toxic groups are less prominent now because there now seem to be better outlets for men who genuinely care about men (thinking of things such as the Movember foundation) as opposed to men who clearly just hate women.

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