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MsAmerica · 19/04/2021 01:27

I found this article really interesting.

A Fuller Picture of Artemisia Gentileschi
The pioneering painter survived a rape, but scholars are pushing against the idea that her work was defined by it—and celebrating her rich harnessing of motherhood, passion, and ambition
The New Yorker
By Rebecca Mead

“In Artemisia’s lifetime, she had a kind of pan-European celebrity that places her on a level with later artists such as Rubens or Van Dyck.”

Like other unmarried accusers of rapists, she was obliged to undergo examination by a midwife, to verify that she was no longer a virgin. Nonetheless, the force of Artemisia’s character emerges. At the time, to insure that rape accusations were truthful, alleged victims were required to submit to a form of torture: cords were wrapped around their hands and tightened like thumbscrews. “It is true, it is true, it is true,” she repeated as the cords were tightened...

Throughout her career, she demonstrated a sophisticated comprehension of the way her unusual status as a woman added to the value of her paintings. On a formal level, her representation of herself in the guise of different characters and genders prefigures such postmodern artists as Cindy Sherman. Unlike Sherman, however, Artemisia had few female peers. She was not the only woman working as an artist during the early seventeenth century: a slightly older contemporary was the northern-Italian portraitist Fede Galizia, born in 1578, whose father, like Artemisia’s, was also a painter. But Artemisia must often have felt singular. In a series of letters written to one of her most important patrons, the collector Antonio Ruffo, she wittily referred to her gender: “A woman’s name raises doubts until her work is seen,” and, regarding a work in progress, “I will show Your Illustrious Lordship what a woman can do.” In 2001, the scholar Elizabeth Cropper wrote, “We will never understand Artemisia Gentileschi as a painter if we cannot accept that she was not supposed to be a painter at all, and that her own sense of herself—not to mention others’ views of her—as an independent woman, as a marvel, a stupor mundi, as worthy of immortal fame and historical celebration, was entirely justified.”

www.newyorker.com/magazine/2020/10/05/a-fuller-picture-of-artemisia-gentileschi

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Scepticaltank · 19/04/2021 02:20

I have not yet read the article, just reacting to the painting.

I love the woman on the right's expression, it is saying "ok, cut here, job done" like he is an annoying joint of meat that needs to be cut down to size and she is taking care to get the knife in exactly the right place for that job.

The woman above him has a very relaxed face, she knows this is a an essential job and she's getting on with it with no stress.

Love it.

BlackWaveComing · 19/04/2021 05:39

Thanks for sharing this.

highame · 19/04/2021 08:10

I remember seeing a play about her on BBC 4 'It's True, It's True, It's True'. I was so staggered by the fact that this young woman refused to be trampled on by the law. Unfortunately it's no longer available.

Thanks for the post OP

ErrolTheDragon · 19/04/2021 09:10

Thanks!

Coincidentally there's another recent thread you may enjoy (and perhaps add your post to, to bring it all together?)

Women's art through the centuries www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4218689-Womens-art-through-the-centuries

rose69 · 19/04/2021 11:23

There was an exhibition off her work at the national gallery before the last lockdown.

ArabellaScott · 19/04/2021 11:29

She's absolutely phenomenal, as an artist and as a person.

CousinKrispy · 19/04/2021 16:47

She's amazing, I'm really sorry I missed the exhibition of her work at the National Gallery.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 19/04/2021 18:15

Yes I wanted to see the exhibition but left it too late and missed it due to the pandemic.

Nuffaluff · 19/04/2021 18:46

There’s a brilliant ‘In Our Time’ programme on BBC Sounds that has a lot about her.
It’s about depictions of Judith and Holofernes in art.

MsAmerica · 25/04/2021 23:26

@highame

I remember seeing a play about her on BBC 4 'It's True, It's True, It's True'. I was so staggered by the fact that this young woman refused to be trampled on by the law. Unfortunately it's no longer available.

Thanks for the post OP

I wonder if it might be on video somewhere and could be requested via a library?
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viques · 26/04/2021 00:34

@Ereshkigalangcleg

Yes I wanted to see the exhibition but left it too late and missed it due to the pandemic.
I managed to get to see it, it was amazing, obviously the subject matter of her paintings was fascinating when you tied it in with her personal history, but I loved the paintings themselves. She is one of those painters who paints hair and flesh in such a way that it looks alive, hard to describe but wonderful to see. She painted a series of self portraits too, stunning work.

I hadn’t know that she had travelled to the UK and visited London, I get unreasonable excited at the thought of people like her walking down the streets of my city!

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