This actually made me laugh out loud, but ironically

[Pudmyboy]

"To be the parent of a trans person now, in Britain, is also to witness a regular assault of distortions and half-truths. We hear that trans people can access medical treatment with dangerous ease, when they in fact face monstrous waiting times, or that there is a powerful trans lobby trampling on the rights of others when anti-trans groups are significantly better resourced." amp.theguardian.com/society/2021/apr/18/being-trans-transgender-rights-issues-rowan-moore-felix-moore

I started to read it but then I found my eyes had rolled so far around in my head I couldn’t carry on

The constant lies piss me the fuck off

As always beeeeee kiiiiiinnnddd only ever goes one way

It's like a bingo card, isn't it?

Charles Moore is Felix’s uncle, I think Felix was on the Today programme when CM guest-edited.

“if the current intake of patients holds at its current rate, the waiting time for a first appointment at an NHS adults’ gender identity clinic in London will be 26 years.”

Quote from article.

So there has been an increase, then?

@IDanielRadcliffe

Charles Moore is Felix’s uncle, I think Felix was on the Today programme when CM guest-edited.

He is, Rowan and felix have access to plenty of media contacts to get their story in newspapers and on the radio

You would think that the massive increase in people identifying as trans would be a subject of investigation and research
Why is this happening?
What is the impact on individuals, their family, the nhs and wider society?
Are there particular parts of the country that have higher rates than others?
Why is there such a difference in the ages when ppl identify as trans with teenage girls identifying as boys and men identifying as women later in life?
Why do some people detransition?

but it seems not....

“To be the parent of a trans person now, in Britain, is also to witness a regular assault of distortions and half-truths.” To be anyone involved in the trans debate is to witness this, but I believe such distortions are coming from people who deny science and deny the rights of women as a protected class.

To be the parent of a trans person now, in Britain, is also to witness a regular assault of distortions and half-truths.

To witness them? Or to peddle them?

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The article claims GC people “bombard services with so much hostile attention that they become impossible to run effectively.”

I cannot think of a single instance of this happening. Quite the opposite. Is this DARVO?!

This just popped up on my newsfeed as a suggested article. I got as far as pro-female arguments being "banal" and gave up (the wording in the census and recent maternity Bill). It's not anti- or phobic anything to want clear language in medicine and law.

Obtaining hormones can be done via a number of routes.

Firstly is the NHS and this is indeed a lengthy process through a GIC however what many people don't realise is that due to the long waits a patients GP may prescribe bridging hormones whilst a patient is waiting.
Secondly there are private services such as Gender GP operating from Spain and through this method I believe its about 4 to 6 weeks.
Thirdly is simply self medicating and its remarkable easy to buy the drugs online without prescription.

If someone really wants hormones they will get them.

The comments about JK were astonishing....
Focussed on bathrooms and ignoring the wider implications for replacing sex with gender.

Wonder if they'd want Felix to be in a woman's or men's prison?

I can hazard a guess.

I meant to highlight that there is a powerful trans lobby trampling on the rights of others when anti-trans groups are significantly better resourced. Also noticed the singling out of JKR for a verbal kicking, again.

Well... the definition of 'banal' is 'boring, ordinary, and not original'. But the thing is, sometimes reality and scientific truth, is like that. Yes, humans being unchangeably dimorphic is boring, ordinary and unoriginal. Yes, men as a class are stronger and more violent than women.... etc .... yawn.

yes, this arrived on my breakfast table this morning, DP read it first, with many exclamations, 'you're not going to BELIEVE this' 'its just not true' 'fucking bollocks' etc etc told him, oh yes I'll believe it all right ....nothing surprised me anymore!

Sorry but what does DARVO mean?

@AngelicInnocent

Sorry but what does DARVO mean?

Defend, Attack, Reverse Victim and Offender.

anti-trans groups are significantly better resourced

The moaning about the wait for assessment or treatment drives me crazy. Try having any child with a MH condition, or adult for that matter. ASD in my area you are lucky to even get the Ax and diagnosis and there is nothing after that
FASD which, imo, is huge in this country is even worse. No understanding in education and, it seems, no wish to understand. Little chance of diagnosis and nothing afterwards if you get the diagnosis
Although given the pigs ear they have made of treating dysphoria perhaps we are safer going it alone

As someone whose self esteem was badly affected by hirsutism during my twenties, and was told it was just a cosmetic issue, and that there was zero help available on the nhs, they can just fuck off, to be quite honest.

Has this changed, or is it still only natal men who can get treatment to remove unwanted facial hair?

Thank you Errol

I saw this earlier and was mightily pissed off. Its such a dishonest representation of pretty much everything.
Clearly, no one at the Guardian bothered to fact check.
I'm surprised it made it past their lawyers.
Maya Forstater has tweeted about it because she hasnt said the things they've claimed she has.
Of course, if they represented her beliefs honestly, there isn't much drama to be made out of it.
mobile.twitter.com/MForstater/status/1383719178977243140
There's also a link in the comments of that twitter thread as to where you can put in an official complaint.
If JKR sees it, I'm hoping she sues the arses off of them.

I've complained to the Observer: feel this breaches parts 1 and 2 of their code of conduct (accuracy and opportunity to reply).
Apart from the Forstater stuff, which was just nasty, easily disprovable, and a really interesting bait and switch from the real question, which was about JK Rowling, I was incandescent at the dismissal of the census issue as 'banal' and looked up uses of 'pregnant person' (supposedly the 'accepted usage' now) as opposed to pregnant woman - absolutely complete tosh, whether you're looking at Google trends or on the UK legislation website.
It's the second time I've complained on a trans-related story in the last month - I'm going to have to cancel my subscription soon. (The last was the awful Eddie Izzard piece, featured on the same page as dead women.) Now there is a bloke who feels he can put his identity on and off.

@WhoNeedsaManOfTheWorld

The moaning about the wait for assessment or treatment drives me crazy. Try having any child with a MH condition, or adult for that matter. ASD in my area you are lucky to even get the Ax and diagnosis and there is nothing after that FASD which, imo, is huge in this country is even worse. No understanding in education and, it seems, no wish to understand. Little chance of diagnosis and nothing afterwards if you get the diagnosis Although given the pigs ear they have made of treating dysphoria perhaps we are safer going it alone

Totally agree with this. Having had anorexia and anxiety disorders in the family and seen MH services for children hacked off at the knees, I sort of want to say, what makes you so special? Which probably is an unkind and unhelpful thing to say but, you know, we're not playing adolescent disorder top trumps here (yes Jameela Jamil I'm looking at you and the 'most oppressed in the world' narrative). Why does dysphoria deserve the exceptionalism it's getting?

I've complained to the Observer: feel this breaches parts 1 and 2 of their code of conduct (accuracy and opportunity to reply).

I might actually do this too. Can’t believe a once-reputable paper is publishing such blatantly false, gaslighting, wilfully blind tripe.