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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

This Is How We Come Back Stronger

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SmallPug · 10/04/2021 08:35

This is an anthology, produced by the Feminist Book Society and And Other Stories, with donations going to Women's Aid and Imkaan. It has contributions from a variety of people, some well known. I've just dipped into it and read the essay by Fox Fisher, which contains some quite strong unsubstantiated allegations about gender critical feminists being allied to the alt right. I'm really shocked and appalled that they'd publish something with outright smears in it, that young and impressionable feminists are going to read and think are true. I'm not sure what to do about it...

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SunsetBeetch · 10/04/2021 08:49

And yet they refer to women throughout here:

www.andotherstories.org/this-is-how/

Why is Fox Fisher, a man by his own definition, writing for a feminist publication?

SmallPug · 10/04/2021 09:00

Well quite!!! It's puzzling isn't it, if Fox doesn't consider Fox to be a woman.

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SmallPug · 10/04/2021 09:03

There's an essay from Juliet Jacques in there too which I haven't read yet...

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IvyTwines2 · 10/04/2021 09:23

Are the allegations legally actionable?

Biscuitsanddoombar · 10/04/2021 09:39

Is there anything in there setting out the GC position? Or are the essays all about a woman is anyone who feels like one, sex work is work and poem is empowering?

Biscuitsanddoombar · 10/04/2021 09:40

Porn! We don’t have empowering poems here you know

SmallPug · 10/04/2021 09:53

IvyTwines2 I assume to be legally actionable people or organisations would need to be named. The only person mentioned by name is Liz Truss. I could flag this with her? It does also contain a complete misrepresentation of the Equality Act (the usual, people can use the changing rooms etc according to their gender identity).

Biscuitsanddoombar Nothing about the GC position that I can see but I haven't read all of them. Jess Phillips' essay mentions women and girls numerous times.

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Biscuitsanddoombar · 10/04/2021 09:55

I would assume books aren’t allowed to knowingly misrepresent the law but I wouldn’t really know 🤔

ArabellaScott · 10/04/2021 10:14

Do you have quotes, OP?

SmallPug · 10/04/2021 10:37

ArabellaScott "Transgender people in the UK have already been using single-sex spaces in accordance with their gender identity for decades, and this right was solidified in the Equality Act 2020"

"Research by Stonewall shows that transgender women are at increased risk of domestic violence and sexual abuse - and are in much need of the same support as women. We live in an unequal society where men certainly don't need to pretend to be women in order to abuse them... The myth of the abusive man in in a frock pretending to be a woman exactly that: a myth. This has not stopped the UK government from trying to follow in the footsteps of Hungary and Poland though, with Liz Truss, minister for women and equalities, announcing recently that they would be restricting trans people's access to single-sex spaces, barring those who have not had genital surgery from using spaces in accordance with their gender identity.'

I could post pictures of the whole essay.

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SmallPug · 10/04/2021 10:38

I'm thinking I could at least flag with Liz Truss, Baroness Nicolson and Conservatives for Women.

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SmallPug · 10/04/2021 10:54

Missed this choice one ArabellaScott:

"The alliances of 'feminist' anti-trans groups are often in blatant contradiction with what they claim to stand for. Many align themselves with alt-right conservative parties, politicians or think tanks that have directly voted or advocated against abortion rights, anti-discrimination laws, and same sex marriage or adoption."

No proof of these allegations.

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Ereshkigalangcleg · 10/04/2021 10:59

Transgender people in the UK have already been using single-sex spaces in accordance with their gender identity for decades, and this right was solidified in the Equality Act 2020"

No it wasn't. There is no mention of being able to use opposite sex toilets and changing rooms in the EA2010.

SmallPug · 10/04/2021 11:11

I know. It misrepresents the EA and the work on the GRA 2020 where no change was made to the law.

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EmbarrassingAdmissions · 10/04/2021 11:13

It misrepresents the EA and the work on the GRA 2020 where no change was made to the law.

How weak is your position if you need to state egregious lies to substantiate it?

SmallPug · 10/04/2021 11:16

Sorry about my typo - they did use 2010 not 2020 jn the book despite all the other inaccuracies!!

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NoraEphronsNeck · 10/04/2021 11:48

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