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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Uterus is ‘not just a baby house’

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EdinburghFeminist · 06/04/2021 22:15

This is a couple of years old but I just came across it and thought it was interesting.
www.popsci.com/uterus-memory-cognition/?fbclid=IwAR3_J78joHnlqhBfhQUr1Heg78BQnQAOXguURdfozQWNoC_mJL0-zy-qjsw

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Sunsetboater · 06/04/2021 22:39

Thanks for posting this. It's very relevant to me seeing as I had a full hysterectomy 9 years ago. Full menopause symptoms kicked in within 2 weeks and I'm still suffering horrible hot flushes with all the other associated symptoms and side affects. I was never offered HRT at the time and when I asked for it 6 months later was told by my then GP I'd probably been through the worst so no, it was pointless taking it now. I'm really worried for my future health.

NiceGerbil · 06/04/2021 23:35

Wow great article thank you!

The history of the medical/ scientific approach to the female reproductive system is appalling.

'Until recently, the medical community has primarily thought of the uterus as just a “baby house,” says Donna Korol, a biologist who studies the neural mechanisms of learning and memory at Syracuse University and who was not involved in the new study. But given the organ’s role in producing and regulating hormones, this is gradually starting to change.'

'“Generally the dogma in the field is the non-pregnant uterus is dormant—some experts have called it ‘useless,’” says study co-author Heather Bimonte-Nelson'

Just so much to say! Of course this is a massive feminist topic.

I suppose it boils down to a male based view of women, going back thousands of years. Chattel/ lesser. Incapable of higher thought- reproductive system both too complicated (just test new drugs on men, women's monthly cycle messes up the results) and over simplified (science can make baby milk better than women. It's only milk. And they're only women)...

The casual removal of the whole lot in surgery in the past. While we're in here might as well get rid of the whole lot. Female reproductive parts are troublesome and prone to disease and malfunction).

Until a few years back who knew the clitoris had a massive internal structure? How many know now? How many women have had bits sliced through in surgery over the years because there was no knowledge it was all even there?

And etc and so on.

So much flows from a deep and fundamental misogyny. We take drugs not tested on us that have different risks/ are not so effective. We struggle to get physical issues recognised and are fobbed off with anti depressants. We have been institutionalised, subject to violence, killed, mutilated etc due to suspicion of having a sex drive....

And on and on.

And still it goes on. We are seen not as whole human bodies but a collection of useful parts/ nice to look at.

Great article thank you :)

NiceGerbil · 06/04/2021 23:37

Sunset I have no experience but on other threads I've seen advice to see s different GP/insist on a referral.

I can't help more than that. I'm sorry.

TheSockMonster · 06/04/2021 23:57

I agree with @NiceGerbil

There have been a number of studies over the past ten or so years showing how healthcare is set up for the typical human (I.e. male)

Women are 50% less likely to get correctly diagnosed with a heart attack, less likely to be given effective painkillers in A&E, more likely to have to wait a long time for them, more likely to be offered antidepressants and anxiety medication for pain and more likely to have longer diagnosis pathways due to being misdiagnosed with physiological problems. Not to mention conditions like autism which tend to manifest differently in girls but are still assessed for using diagnostic tools based on the typical male presentation.

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 01:11

Male as default.

Always.

EdinburghFeminist · 07/04/2021 08:31

I’m so sorry @Sunsetboater - I agree with whoever said to ask for a second opinion, it’s not unreasonable to expect more support than you’ve had from your GP! I hope you find someone more empathetic.

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Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 07/04/2021 09:20

The view of 'uterus as baby house' is so evident when people talk about womb transplants into transwomen.

There's no understanding that the entire female body is designed to support the growth of an embryo - see the amazing placenta thread.

I was never able to have children but I'm still in awe of the female body.

highame · 07/04/2021 09:24

Thank you OP. sunset Daffodil

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 10:22

There's no understanding that the entire female body is designed to support the growth of an embryo - see the amazing placenta thread.

I have decided that for some that continue to post about uterus transplants like it is some kind of given that they will also then carry foetuses, that they willfully ignore any statement that does not support this. It seems that those ‘experts’ pushing transplants seem to never point out that it will then take a huge number of years to replicate the areas of the body that produce what a foetus needs, that change what they produce to accommodate a growing human.

These experts also seem to ignore that a lamb grown in a bag does not replicate a human being being grown in a male with artificial chemicals having to be used the entire time. Until such time as the entire programming of the pregnancy cycle can be reproduced by that male’s body. Mmmm! Sounds like none of this will be done for the child’s benefit at all does it?

And the supposed experts will never give the full story. It becomes very significant that the harm that may be done to those males by all the artificial chemicals being artificially produced/or supplied externally is also never discussed.

And who exactly takes on the responsibility for the lives lost due to experimentation on unborn humans? The transwomen who ignore the fact this is experimentation on unborn humans? The doctors?

But all that gets ignored by those who wheel out ‘but uterus transplants’ like it is some kind of gotcha. I have noticed that those posters never address any of the points we raise, yet raise it again on other threads.

Kotatsu · 07/04/2021 10:39

I remember someone yelling at me on facebook (so to speak) because I described the baby a surrogate mother grew as 'made by her body'

Apparently I know nothing about how babies are made and the DNA is all that matters....

I gave up at that point - anyone who thinks that, and hasn't thought through where the matter and energy comes from to actually build the baby isn't worth arguing with.

I remember actually feeling a bit sad when we weaned DS1, because up until that point he'd been entirely made by me, from me, and now that was all going to slowly be replaced.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 10:48

sunsetboater

What a horrible situation to be in. I too would see if a second opinion changes anything. Certainly for future hormone needs. Surely, getting HRT would help protect you from other side effects not just the menopause symptoms?

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 10:52

Kotatsu

I would think it comes from humanizing surrogacy in the face of the woman carrying the child. I imagine for many people they don’t want to think about it that way, don’t want to accept the potential harm it can do to the woman and the child, and still support it. The dissonance is too high.

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