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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Melanie Phillips on 'gibberish studies'

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2021 09:11

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/academics-are-embracing-gibberish-studies-ln679gkc7?shareToken=140202cf8c82ab52e460e2ef88d24182

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IDontOnlyLikeJazzFunk · 06/04/2021 09:41

Thanks for sharing that article and extremely heartened to see that Melanie mentions (in the comments) that sex should not be confused with gender and is not on a continuum!!!!

Melanie gets it - hooray! She has responded to quite a few comments as well which is nice - I doubt that some of the people that write utter rubbish (like Caroline Nokes) would ever do that.

Cismyfatarse · 06/04/2021 09:58

I saw this earlier. Brilliant article.

EmbarrassingAdmissions · 06/04/2021 10:03

Melanie mentions (in the comments) that sex should not be confused with gender and is not on a continuum!!!!

I was momentarily confusing continuum with curriculum.

However, as somebody with friends and family who are in a wide range of relationships for which they use some of the descriptors that she mentioned, I'm grateful for the primer.

Thingybob · 06/04/2021 10:28

Quirkyalone? That's another word that describes me.

I'm collecting such a long list of descriptive letters that I must be really, really special.

GNCQ · 06/04/2021 10:32

It makes me quite fearful of all the trash "education" coming out of America.

AffronttoGender · 06/04/2021 10:38

I've always referred to them as Basket Weaving courses.

AffronttoGender · 06/04/2021 10:40

@ErrolTheDragon How do you do share token links please? I have never managed to work it out....(I'm a Times subscriber).

JellySlice · 06/04/2021 10:41

the illocutionary hallucination of the performative as a material event of subjectivity that emerges in a discursive nexus that can be generally named ‘impersonation’

Sounds like Tom Sharpe's Wilt.

MaudTheInvincible · 06/04/2021 10:48

Above all, though, it’s intended to obscure the intellectual incapacity of those running the burgeoning university departments of resentment

Ain't that the truth.

Thanks for sharing.

AffronttoGender · 06/04/2021 10:50

It's corruption and fraud really. These people's jobs depend on selling corrupt ideas that add zero value and is in fact destructive to society.

littlbrowndog · 06/04/2021 10:51

Am liking gibberish studies 🙌🏽

nauticant · 06/04/2021 11:01

To balance things, remember that Phillips supported Andrew Wakefield and his MMR anti-science:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Melanie_Phillips#MMR_vaccine

These days I'm reluctant to have heroes or villains. I try to think more about good and bad ideas rather than good and bad people.

RoyalCorgi · 06/04/2021 11:17

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ArabellaScott · 06/04/2021 11:35

These days I'm reluctant to have heroes or villains. I try to think more about good and bad ideas rather than good and bad people

Most sensible thing I've read this week.

CuthbertDibbleandGrubb · 06/04/2021 13:25

On some issues there can be a strange alliance between people who on other things profoundly disagree.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 06/04/2021 13:59

I generally have no time for Melanie Phillips but I'm enjoying her observations in this piece.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2021 14:08

@Wrongsideofhistorymyarse

I generally have no time for Melanie Phillips but I'm enjoying her observations in this piece.
Likewise.
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ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2021 14:10

[quote AffronttoGender]@ErrolTheDragon How do you do share token links please? I have never managed to work it out....(I'm a Times subscriber).[/quote]
I only know how to do it from the tablet app, one of the icons in the bottom right corner. I think from the browser there's a way to do it using the envelope icon and then c&ping the link but I've not got it set up with my email as it's DHs account.

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ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2021 14:12

@AffronttoGender

I've always referred to them as Basket Weaving courses.
Basket weaving courses can result in a useful, functional item. They're more like basket unweaving courses maybe.
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highame · 06/04/2021 14:13

Me too. Definitely not a fan, she's a bit right of Attila the Hun but she does sometimes write a good piece, though I have to choose carefully which I'll read

persistentwoman · 06/04/2021 14:56

AffronttoGender
For a share token on a laptop / pc, underneath the headline of the article, there's the word Share and beside it a little envelope. Click on the envelope and it opens up an email with a link in the header for you to send to someone.
Just copy the link - that's your share token to paste wherever you like.

AffronttoGender · 06/04/2021 20:25

Thank you both for share token tip! Flowers

lanadelgrey · 06/04/2021 21:01

What pisses me off is that while people get sucked into doing what appear to be the interesting up to date courses that appear relevant to contemporary life, the people who get to rule us and/or make money and make the rules are doing the trad subjects - Johnson classics, Phillips English etc. Ok they also got the silver spoon of private school then Oxbridge as did huge number of MPs, journalists, barristers etc but as I point out to the DCs doing trad subjects for a start or v vocational subjects means you can do go down a more niche route later or via a module or two. It’s not fair but it’a a real con to encourage impressionable teens to spend their chance at uni on some of these courses. If you want to beat the f*kers you have to fight on roughly similar grounds.

SmokedDuck · 06/04/2021 21:13

@lanadelgrey

What pisses me off is that while people get sucked into doing what appear to be the interesting up to date courses that appear relevant to contemporary life, the people who get to rule us and/or make money and make the rules are doing the trad subjects - Johnson classics, Phillips English etc. Ok they also got the silver spoon of private school then Oxbridge as did huge number of MPs, journalists, barristers etc but as I point out to the DCs doing trad subjects for a start or v vocational subjects means you can do go down a more niche route later or via a module or two. It’s not fair but it’a a real con to encourage impressionable teens to spend their chance at uni on some of these courses. If you want to beat the f*kers you have to fight on roughly similar grounds.
I don't think "studies" courses in general should be done at the undergraduate level, even if they are completely legit. In fact I think to some extent that's what led to some of the problems we see now. You have a bunch of kids out of high school with no serious background in, say, biology, or how history is studied, or political science, or anthropology. And they go into women's studies and are reading all kinds of things which draw on those without the methodological background to really scrutinise or understand them. And their knowledge is too focused so it's not easy to put what they are learning in context. Just a shallow example - I was talking to a student once about historic minority voting rights, about which she had strong opinions, but it became clear quickly that this person had no real idea about the development of voting rights generally or how long anyone had been voting, and what she did know seemed to be based on an American context.

These kinds of studies programs could be really powerful at the graduate level but poor undergrauate training has compromised many of them.

ErrolTheDragon · 06/04/2021 21:15

@lanadelgrey

What pisses me off is that while people get sucked into doing what appear to be the interesting up to date courses that appear relevant to contemporary life, the people who get to rule us and/or make money and make the rules are doing the trad subjects - Johnson classics, Phillips English etc. Ok they also got the silver spoon of private school then Oxbridge as did huge number of MPs, journalists, barristers etc but as I point out to the DCs doing trad subjects for a start or v vocational subjects means you can do go down a more niche route later or via a module or two. It’s not fair but it’a a real con to encourage impressionable teens to spend their chance at uni on some of these courses. If you want to beat the f*kers you have to fight on roughly similar grounds.
There's a marked swing to vocational and STEM courses of late. I'm not sure many actually do gibberish studies. They just make a lot of noise.
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