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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

WOMENS EQUALITY PARTY

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CautionEscalator · 04/04/2021 14:26

WEP is getting a lot of attention via the Greater London Assembly elections, and Mandu Reid is running for mayor.

They have great policies but a brutal history of culling feminist women that wast to talk about their sex.

Any way- there is a sizeable push back within the party. The only party to support the Nordic model etc, I guess many members don't want to jump ship, or hand the ship over to madmen.

They have announced that they will allow official Caucuses representing all the political characteristics- except gossip from central office says they wont include sex!! Possibly to do with the fact that the unofficial sex-based rights caucus is getting real traction

Anyway, if you fancy joining/rejoining to help the push back- or are in WEP and would like to read more-

You can follow them @WepWomen, or on facebook- Here is their latest blog-

www.wepsbr.com/post/why-we-need-a-caucus

WOMENS EQUALITY PARTY
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R0wantrees · 04/04/2021 14:31

current thread:

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4210220-WEP-deletes-GC-forum

NiceGerbil · 06/04/2021 03:08

I'm not keen.

I was very excited when they started but they've been rubbish.

Their current mission statement for eg on front page of site is ????

'Equality for women isn't a women's issue. When women fulfill their potential, everyone benefits. Equality means better politics, a more vibrant economy, a workforce that draws on the talents of the whole population and a society at ease with itself.'

So it's about getting women into good jobs and politics and... Everyone being happy?

Yeah that's rubbish tbh.

EveWasReframed · 06/04/2021 03:20

WEP are fucking useless.

They had one job. Represent women. And they couldn't even do that right.

GNCQ · 06/04/2021 10:18

Yeah I wouldn't bother.
They were set up by a bunch of wealthy London elites who have no connection to the real world.

SpaceBatAngelDragon · 06/04/2021 10:29

'Equality for women isn't a women's issue.

Then what's the point of their name?

How are they defining "woman" in that statement? If woman is any Tom Dick or Harry who says they are, then I agree, those people will not be interested in equality. They already have the upper hand, they want to keep it and get more.

They don't have great policies, if the framework for such policies is that biological women either do not exist, or are no different from any biological male stating they are a woman. WEP dug the hole they are in, and they can dig themselves out without my help. I'd rather put my time, energy and money into one of the amazing groups who are actually in interested in adult human females.

StillAFemale · 06/04/2021 10:52

They had one job. Represent women. And they couldn’t even do that right.

This. They are such a fucking embarrassment

Childrenofthestones · 06/04/2021 13:18

@EveWasReframed

WEP are fucking useless.

They had one job. Represent women. And they couldn't even do that right.

Hahaha succinct and spot on 😁👍
Temp023 · 06/04/2021 13:19

Is this the Sandy Toksvig one?

NiceGerbil · 07/04/2021 01:30

I don't know if she's still involved.

I was at college with a woman who's quite high up and has been involved since the start. She was a right twat.

I also have argued and argued that the whole feminism for the elite thing wasn't feminism as I have ever known it and no one who claimed to be a feminist would be that narrow minded...

'About the Women's Equality Party
Equality for women isn't a women's issue. When women fulfill their potential, everyone benefits. Equality means better politics, a more vibrant economy, a workforce that draws on the talents of the whole population and a society at ease with itself.'

??? Wtf?

What about

All the issues with women's health care
Single parent high levels of poverty mainly women and of course the children affected and the uselessness of whatever the CSA is called now
That when the economy is negatively impacted by events, women shoulder the burden
All time low rape convictions
Prevalence of sexual harassment against girls (and female teachers) in schools
And so on and so on

So thank you WEP for being the first org for women that I've come across in my whole life (I'm nearly 50) that is feminism for the elite.

Clueless.

What are they FOR? I mean seriously. What's the point of them.

IrishMamaMia · 07/04/2021 05:09

I agree with what's the point. They were canvassing in my local area a few years ago and I walked along, heavily pregnant and running errands with my toddler, I was too busy to talk and politely declined so the woman started shouting after me about how I especially 'needed' them 🙄no luvvie, i need judgmental strangers to stop shouting at me.

Cwenthryth · 07/04/2021 08:23

So a WEP candidate in Glasgow stated very clearly in a hustings that WEP supports the single sex exemptions in EA2010

twitter.com/wepwomen/status/1379519654872371200?s=21

I mean it’s the very bare minimum from a defence of women’s SBR point of view. But still. Mini-yay.

GNCQ · 07/04/2021 08:59

Cwenthryth that's an interesting thread.

So the WEP now have a caucus within the main party who support sex based rights, who seem to be gender critical.

Despite the fact that their WhatsApp group was closed down by the main WEP.

OK I'll support them although they are based in Scotland and I am not. Not sure that matters too much.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 11:29

The comments from Ruth Wilkinson (Ruththerep) are somewhat heartening in the video linked in that twitter link. However, I am not convinced.

She wants to uphold the EA2010 while supporting people’s rights to identify as their gender.

Sorry, how does that work? Exactly? I cannot see how the party can support each equally when it comes to a real situation.

Did she also imply with her use of ‘perceived’ that there are no conflicts with women’s rights?

Nah. Not convinced. I feel Ruth is saying what she thinks will encourage women but that ‘perceived’ is doing some very hard lifting in my opinion. So too are her words about supporting both without defining which takes priority. I’d like to believe it would be women’s sex based rights, but I doubt it because of that ‘perceived’.

R0wantrees · 07/04/2021 11:42

She wants to uphold the EA2010 while supporting people’s rights to identify as their gender.

Sorry, how does that work? Exactly? I cannot see how the party can support each equally when it comes to a real situation.

If someone sees woman (or man) as "a gender" rather than a description of human beings by their sex then they are extremely unlikely to be able to articulate how they will support women's sex based protections, let alone influence policies to do so.

Helleofabore · 07/04/2021 11:51

Yes R0. This discrepancy undermines the whole argument she makes. It is very much like Starmer’s position.

thinkingaboutLangCleg · 07/04/2021 13:10

Is this the Sandy Toksvig one?

Yes. Shame, as I really liked her before.

MaudTheInvincible · 07/04/2021 13:13

The WEP are going to have to articulate an unequivocal and explicitly pro-women position for me to look upon them with anything other than deep mistrust now.

Scepticaltank · 07/04/2021 15:00

This came up on my news feed, I don't think it's paywalled.

www.telegraph.co.uk/women/politics/mandu-reid-running-london-mayor-feel-like-could-cancelled-moment/

One of the biggest challenges for Reid has been navigating the debate over transgender rights, which she describes as a “toxic, ugly, difficult chapter”. Last summer, the WEP ran the largest consultation on self-identification for trans people. “It’s a fault line,” says Reid. “Polarisation is an increasing problem."

She has been careful not to come down on either side of the debate, but, to coin a phrase, is instead living in a constant state of “fear pressure” – “It’s like peer pressure, but different,” she says. “I feel it most keenly when I'm doing something when the stakes are high and the margin for error is small.”

She believes women are treated more harshly than men when it comes to sensitive issues. “I feel that I have less leeway than others to make mistakes and get things wrong,” she says, before criticising the Labour and Conservative parties for not doing more on the trans debate.

"I'm sick and tired of women having to do all the hard labour all the time to deal with difficult, intractable issues that affect the whole of society," she says. "But I don't want to inflame the situation and distract from the fact that every year in this country 80,000 women are raped. If the WEP gets completely bogged down in the quagmire of this issue, then we're not serving trans women, we're not serving any women."

Does she worry that a misstep in the trans debate could lead to her being cancelled – and the work of the WEP unravelling?

“I feel like it's something that could happen at any time,” says Reid. “People are shut down at a really unhealthy rate, which has a net negative effect on our ability to grow and learn. It's damaging and a shame. I hope that trend doesn't stick around.”

I haven't seen any outcome of the consultation and I see Mandu saying here that it's a fault line, so I expect this means there as little common ground. Unsurprisingly. There can't be common ground over the imposition of a belief that sets out to convert everyone.

Although she says she doesn't want to come down on ether side she does when she says this:
"then we're not serving trans women, we're not serving any women."

Hopeless.

Kit19 · 07/04/2021 15:04

Im sure they will be publishing the results of that consultation on self ID soon seeing as it was so big and important

and yes it is hopeless that she cant make the link between the sex of the people most intent on shutting down the discussion, the sex of the people most likely to be on the receiving end of abuse and
"I'm sick and tired of women having to do all the hard labour all the time to deal with difficult, intractable issues that affect the whole of society,"

Scepticaltank · 07/04/2021 15:08

There's lots of women intent on shutting it down in WEP.

RedDogsBeg · 07/04/2021 15:10

Although she says she doesn't want to come down on ether side she does when she says this:
"then we're not serving trans women, we're not serving any women."

Note which 'women' come first in that sentence, says it all. Why does the WEP need to serve transwomen at all?

Kit19 · 07/04/2021 15:19

Quite RDB

TW by definition are people born male so why would a party set up (allegedly) for women need to devote time to them?

EveWasReframed · 07/04/2021 15:23

But I don't want to inflame the situation and distract from the fact that every year in this country 80,000 women are raped.

Where did she get that statistic from? It seems to be missing a nought (or two) on the end.

Wrongsideofhistorymyarse · 07/04/2021 15:57

Although she says she doesn't want to come down on ether side she does when she says this: "then we're not serving trans women, we're not serving any women."

Sigh.

EveWasReframed · 07/04/2021 16:09

Too late for this year, but maybe we need a raft of Independent women candidates to stand in local elections in 2022 to get women's and girls' rights properly back on to the agenda - in online leaflets, at hustings, on ballot papers.

I know from my own adult DS* that a real wedge issue is fairness in sports, which is very much a local issue as well as national and global.

*He has done a reverse ferret on woke these last few months.

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