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Doesn't this BBC article about Tavistock mis somethingmis something Out?

39 replies

JellySlice · 30/03/2021 07:51

crisis at the Tavistock's child gender clinic www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-56539466

Apparently the problem at the Tavi is that waiting times are too long.

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OldCrone · 31/03/2021 14:14

As appears may be the case here, posting an outline of Safeguarding concerns at GIDS by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust children's Safeguarding lead has prompted report/s of my post.

When I first saw your post it had the message about MN having a look at it, but the video was still there. Now it's gone completely. Was there anything else or just a link to the video? I think it was this one.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-51806962

I don't think I'm breaking any guidelines by posting a link to a Newsnight video and a BBC webpage, but we'll see.

Did you post a link to a page about the Tavistock's safeguarding lead, Sonia Appleby? That might have triggered the deletion.

R0wantrees · 31/03/2021 14:39

OldCrone I posted the context of the allegations of 'safeguarding concerns at GIDS' made by Sonia Appleby who is employed as children's Safeguarding Lead by NHS Tavistock & Portman Trust.

A pp had referenced that some parents were concerned. Its important that any parent/carer who has a child treated by an NHS trust where Child Protection/Safeguarding allegations have been made is aware of both the nature of the allegations and the background of the professional who is whistleblowing.

There are specific aspects to the allegations and the case which may have very serious implications for all children treated with UK health services.

Wider context of whistleblowing as a vital part of the Child Protection & Safeguarding frameworks:

'What is Whistleblowing in Health and Social Care?'
by Lauren Hockley Published: Wed, 19 Sep 2018
(extract)
"Whistleblowing in the health and social care sectors is of immense importance, given the scale of harm that can be done to patients and clients through malpractice.

Whistleblowing is where staff report concerns about wrongdoing, most commonly seen at work. It is seen across all industry sectors and is gathering momentum as an increased emphasis on transparency sweeps through society. The following types of concerns can be classified as whistleblowing:

Unsafe patient care
Poor clinical practice
Failure to properly safeguard patients
Inadequate administration of medicines
Untrained staff
Unsafe working conditions
Lack of policies
Bullying at work
Unwell or stressed staff who are not seeking help

These complaints differ from personal grievances as they have a public rather than private interest. Sometimes it can be difficult to know if a complaint classifies as whistleblowing or not. The NHS Whistleblowing Helpline can help to answer this type of question, for NHS and social care workers. Similarly, the charity Public Concern at Work can provide free and confidential legal advice. Whistleblowers can be employees, former employees, trainees, agency workers or members of an organisation.

Why is Whistleblowing Important in the Health and Social Care Sectors?
Those working in the health and social care sectors have a duty to put patients and the people they are working for first, as outlined in their professional code of conduct. Therefore, if an action is likely to cause harm to these people, there is a duty to report it. Essentially, whistleblowing is an early warning system that allows malpractice to be addressed before it results in serious harm. The nature of the health and social care sectors means that mistakes that would be considered minor in other sectors could have serious consequences for those involved. Patients are often at the receiving end of malpractice and require our protection accordingly.

The Bristol Royal Infirmary scandal highlights the atrocious damage that can be done by overlooking malpractice in the health and social care sectors. Around 35 babies tragically died from 1990 to 1995 at the hands of Bristol Royal Infirmary's cardiac surgeons, whilst numerous more suffered irreversible brain damage. The unit continued to carry out high-risk operations at the expense of children's safety, and in far too many cases their lives, in order to make the unit a centre of excellence. The practice continued until Steve Bolsin, a consultant cardiac anaesthetist, blew the whistle on the astoundingly high mortality rate in the unit. When Bolsin approached management with the shocking mortality figures he had compiled, he was turned away and ignored. The CEO of the trust nearly fired him for his persistence with the matter. Bristol has been described as having a "club culture" where a few people had far too much power, which essentially bred ignorance to these malpractices. Had Steve Bolsin not courageously stepped forward to blow the whistle, countless more young lives could have been lost." (continues)

www.delta-net.com/compliance/whistleblowing/faqs/what-is-whistleblowing-in-health-and-social-care

WarriorN · 31/03/2021 15:22

Thank you R0, I can't fathom why your post has been taken down when a number of Tavi clinicians have expressed concerns about safeguarding.

"Club culture" - unfortunately this is the prevailing narrative cultured by numerous GID charities and pressure groups; ask questions, safeguarding questions, and you're bigoted.

As appears may be the case here, posting an outline of Safeguarding concerns at GIDS by the Tavistock and Portman NHS Trust children's Safeguarding lead has prompted report/s of my post.

When professionals are not only prevented from carrying out Child Protection/ Safeguarding but then prevented from whistleblowing or discussing the prevention of whistleblowing of serious Safeguarding concerns in NHS paediatric healthcare this is likely indicative of systemic Child Protection framework failure.

That bares repeating.

WarriorN · 31/03/2021 15:23

Bold fail, 3rd para.

WarriorN · 31/03/2021 15:25

Is it normal for child patients to be on interview panels at NHS trusts?

I know that patient interest groups for specific illnesses are invited to be part of panels involved in NICE guidance.

How those charities are chosen, I'm not sure. And I'm not sure how often children are involved,

WarriorN · 31/03/2021 15:26

Pertinent thread

NICE Evidence Review for Use of Puberty Blockers for GD - Now Released www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4207281-NICE-Evidence-Review-for-Use-of-Puberty-Blockers-for-GD-Now-Released

R0wantrees · 31/03/2021 15:38

Thank you R0, I can't fathom why your post has been taken down when a number of Tavi clinicians have expressed concerns about safeguarding.

My post, as is the case with any on FWR, is taken down because it was reported.

I haven't received a message from MN so have no idea yet, on what basis.
I have always posted within the letter and spirit of the site and have over the years had some very creative complaints made against my posts.

Those attempting to suppress the evidence based concerns of professionals concerned for the welfare of children identified as transgender need to stop and start considering the very serious implications. Likewise those who are in thrall or indulging of such behaviours. Parents, Carers and professionals with Safeguarding responsibility for children must be able to freely consider evidence.

'Evidence review: Gonadotrophin releasing hormone analogues for children and adolescents with gender dysphoria'
This document will help inform Dr Hilary Cass’ independent review into gender identity services for children and young people. It was commissioned by NHS England and Improvement who commissioned the Cass review. It aims to assess the evidence for the
clinical effectiveness, safety and cost-effectiveness of gonadotrophin releasing hormone (GnRH) analogues for children and adolescents aged 18 years or under with gender dysphoria.
The document was prepared by NICE in October 2020" (continues)
arms.nice.org.uk/resources/hub/1070905/attachment

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www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4207281-NICE-Evidence-Review-for-Use-of-Puberty-Blockers-for-GD-Now-Released

WarriorN · 31/03/2021 15:45

Yes you are always 'within the spirit' and thorough, I should have said; can't fathom why it would be reported...

OldCrone · 31/03/2021 16:04

R0wantrees The deletion message says 'This post has been hidden until the MNHQ team can have a look at it.' I think that happens automatically without reports and is triggered by certain keywords, such as links to crowdfunders. I think there may be other keywords, but I'm not sure what they are.

If you report your deleted post and ask why it's been deleted, they normally come back fairly quickly with an explanation, and you should be able to repost without the offending part. If it was just a link to a crowdfunder they should be able to just automatically strip those out when they're posted and leave the rest of the post to stand. I don't know why they don't do this.

If you didn't link to a crowdfunder I have no idea why it would have been deleted.

R0wantrees · 31/03/2021 16:10

I have shared the basis of Sonia Appleby's Safeguarding complaint against NHS Tavistock & Portman Trust for specific context. The whistleblown allegations in Appleby's words and the link to the source.

Binglebong · 31/03/2021 20:02

Rowantrees I was referring to the Keira Bell case - I would say the drugging without proper consent, bad record keeping etc would be of a lot of interest to the people reading this report. To my mind that is a lot worse than waiting lists if you're looking at what's wrong.

R0wantrees · 01/04/2021 17:26

I have shared the basis of Sonia Appleby's Safeguarding complaint against NHS Tavistock & Portman Trust for specific context. The whistleblown allegations in Appleby's words and the link to the source.

My post has been reinstated with the link to the source (crowdfund page) removed.
This is, as far as I'm aware, the only place that Sonia Appleby's allegations and outlined safeguarding concerns at GIDS are publically available.

As I have said, the potential implications speak to systemic Safeguarding & Child Protection framework failures within health and social care so should be of concern to all parents, carers and adults who take responsibility for children seriously.

WarriorN · 01/04/2021 20:23

I think your post has been reinstated R0?

R0wantrees · 01/04/2021 20:28

It has, I posted to confirm that and explain the (resolved) issue.

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