Times Article - redefinition of the word woman

[Wandawomble]

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/definition-of-woman-will-include-trans-people-to-increase-equality-h62g50swc?utm_medium=Social&utm_source=Twitter#Echobox=1616570680

Does anyone have a share token?

@Wandawomble Hopefully this one will work. Some good comments.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e9c5b740-8c16-11eb-8f69-0367b6f4fca7?shareToken=6d5f5f3dfdb75858e94dfb4e2c7efc6f

Does this work OP?

Article

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/e9c5b740-8c16-11eb-8f69-0367b6f4fca7?shareToken=8eed25f1103b6e5b47421e60f90c8300

Cross post with Fanny

I can't see any comments?

The legislation, passed two years ago, used the term “woman” to represent those who were born women and trans women, or those who “live as women”, which FWS said was legally incompetent. Scottish ministers believe the legislation needs to be amended to ensure more equal representation of transgender people on public boards.

A little baffled and I assume this is limited to Scotland.

I'm looking for the words around the definition of men being amended and some explanation as to how a gender is to be tracked to ensure equal (is this equal or proportionate?) representation. Or are we heading for the Fawcett stance?

This was from last week, post ForwomenScotland's judicial review.

the comments are great.

This article reveals the Scotgov's position on TWAW, as released in a FOI

wingsoverscotland.com/on-a-nod-and-a-wink/

This quote by Glosswitch seems particularly appropriate-

"If you genuinely wanted to increase equality rather than mask inequality, you would ask the people who are over-represented to cede more space rather than define the under-represented in ways that force the maximum number to compete for the same meagre allowance."

It's so awful, I cant even

This comment sums it up.

"It is now possible - and perfectly lawful in Scotland - to have a board of directors without a single female person on it and claim gender equality."

"A return to the 'good old days' of all-male boards: voilà, with a snap of her fingers, Nicola has restored the old order."

I wish I could see the comments, but no matter how many times I refresh the page, they still don't appear.
I feel genuinely sorry for women in Scotland, they have been betrayed by a corrupt establishment.

I can't find it but there was a cartoon (Private Eye, maybe?) of an all-male board with one saying that someone will need to ID as a woman in order to meet the quotas [hollow laugh]

I wish I could see the comments, but no matter how many times I refresh the page, they still don't appear.
Are you using an iPad? I can't see the comments on that but can when I use the pc.

Their opening para says it all. Honest, straightforward and letting you come to a very fast conclusion...

'The definition of the term “woman” is to be broadened to include transgender people in legislation to increase female representation on public boards after a failed legal bid to block the changes.'

I can't see the comments either - on a laptop.

This one @FlyPassed?
www.mumsnet.com/uploads/talk/201806/medium-846991-image1

The definition of the term “woman” is to be broadened to include transgender people in legislation to increase female representation on public boards

You're right, NiceGerbil, you couldn't make it up. The Private Eye cartoon was presumably meant to be satire -- not strategic advice.

So do we know if the word men includes transmen?

I wasn't able to see the comments on my laptop in google chrome, but when I switched browsers to firefox I was able to.

So this is supposed to increase representation of trans people? What about the transmen, are they now excluded? That would be the logical conclusion. You can't have it both ways, if TWAW then TMAM too. So only increasing trans representation because of male socialisation meaning TW are more likely to stand than TM.

Well yes TMAM therefore their group is very highly represented and has loads of privilege.

It's numbers for pay and women on boards and women having Mgmt roles through the chain etc.

Nothing to do with TM and no one seems very interested in them anyway.

It's not about increasing trans representation. Who are (currently) a small % of the population.

It's about the poor figures for women which have stalled for a few years now.

I wonder how non binary people will interact with this mix.

I suppose bunce is, well I don't know how they ID overall.

But part time id as woman is enough to get you counted in female stats.