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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Who might the "well known male columnist" be...?

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Lotsofpots · 23/03/2021 07:15

The whole article is a good read, but about half way down is a reference to a "well-known male columnist" that made me think of you lot.

members.tortoisemedia.com/2021/03/22/matthew-dancona-beware-the-emotional-industrial-complex/content.html?sig=TNP4aX5M3yZ-p8LC_YeqvLriF1L0MMe4XGVC2400Znk

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Diaryofamadwoman · 23/03/2021 07:21

Is there a wat to read the whole article?

TheBitterBoy · 23/03/2021 07:24

Thanks for sharing. I didn't know about the NHS number denoting sex until very recently. Another thing that seems to me is silly to allow to be changed, especially as the health risks to trans gender people could be high of they are treated incorrectly.

highame · 23/03/2021 07:28

By enabling a trans person to change their birth certificate, the procedure effectively rewrites history. It gives emotion (I feel this way) the power to erase fact (I was born this way).

It is often said that facts don’t care about your feelings. But it is also the case that, these days, feelings have better lobbyists.
Facts, science and evidence don’t operate like that. The truth is often hard to bear. But it has also been the driving force behind every form of human progress, not least the fastest-developed vaccine in history. We surrender it at our mortal peril.

Love these - thanks for that OP

highame · 23/03/2021 07:29

My money's on LOJ Grin

WarOnWomen · 23/03/2021 07:39

Thanks for the link, OP.

High game, highly likely. I did like his response,"See you on Twitter." 😁

Alltheprettyseahorses · 23/03/2021 07:42

Seconded, highame ;). Poor little OJ, forever desperate to be on the right side of history but instead a handy signal for whichever position is wrong every single time.

Lotsofpots · 23/03/2021 07:48

@Diaryofamadwoman I think the link is working for others - I've tried linking it again here

members.tortoisemedia.com/2021/03/22/matthew-dancona-beware-the-emotional-industrial-complex/content.html?sig=TNP4aX5M3yZ-p8LC_YeqvLriF1L0MMe4XGVC2400Znk

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PurpleWh1teGreen · 23/03/2021 07:50

Feelings have better lobbyists

Ain’t that the truth.

malloo · 23/03/2021 07:57

Good article, thanks for posting.

Cuntysnark · 23/03/2021 08:09

Thank you for posting. Interesting article.

RainingBatsAndFrogs · 23/03/2021 08:24

Very well written article.

I wish we could get to a point where fact is not seen as as a threat to feelings. That it’s ok to be Trans, be Trans and proud, fight discrimination against Trans people, and that it isn’t seen as necessary to pretend that sex doesn’t exist separately to gender in order to be Trans.

Pool Lil’O , denied his moment of fame.

Soontobe60 · 23/03/2021 08:44

Excellent piece, and so on point.
I feel like a 21 yr old pop star, I am in fact a 61 year old Grandmother with dodgy knees and a need for having an afternoon nap every day.

BraveBananaBadge · 23/03/2021 09:18

Another good read, clearly spelling out what's at stake.

d'Ancona's not the first journo of a certain age to write of text exchanges with a certain male columnist bluntly telling them how wrong they are (Suzanne Moore has had it as well). Can't help but wonder what sort of relationship LOJ has with other people, if he takes it upon himself to go round policing peers and colleagues like this - is it part of a normal, ongoing relationship with someone, or does he just slide into people's DMs apropos, to tell them off?

Either way he sounds like a complete plonker.

RoyalCorgi · 23/03/2021 09:31

It is very good. D'Ancona understands the issues.

My money would be on OJ because he's self-important enough to think it's his right to send scolding emails to people who disagree with him. I suppose there are other candidates, but I can't think who.

Lotsofpots · 23/03/2021 09:46

OJ immediately sprang to mind when I read it.

@BraveBananaBadge plonker made me chuckle. Such a perfect description.

Tortoise is increasingly my media outlet of choice. I find their articles balanced, engaging and I appreciate the different angles they explore. That being said I found their series on JKR frustrating. More balanced than most but still with some glaring holes and assumptions. So I was pleased to see this from d'ancona.

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Rubidium · 23/03/2021 09:56

Matthew d'Ancona was a columnist at The Guardian, and we know from what happened to Suzanne Moore that Wrongthink is not allowed at The Graun.

ACovidofWitches · 23/03/2021 10:47

It's good to see the matter placed alongside something like fear of the vaccine. It needs to be.

RoyalCorgi · 23/03/2021 10:52

Also, I think OJ (if it is he) is completely wrong about the generational point. The assumption he makes is that younger people are more tolerant, liberal-minded etc than the older generation, and that when the oldies die out the new order will take over, just as happened with attitudes towards homosexuality and other issues of sexual morality.

A couple of reasons why I think he's wrong. One is that, to use Gloria Steinem's words, women become more radical with age. Once young girls start to experience the full horror of what it means to allow men into changing rooms etc, they will change their minds.

Another is that in a couple of years, I think we'll see a wave of lawsuits from detransitioners, which will probably put a brake on medical transition and bring to public awareness the reality of what transition involves.

The third is that not every attempt to make sex laws more liberal is successful. The most notable example is the way that PIE latched onto the campaign for homosexual rights in the 70s. It seems to me that since then we have become far more intolerant of older people having sexual relations with young people. There is a huge moral repugnance at paedophilia, but also of older men going after 15 year olds. When I was young, the idea of older men being attracted to schoolgirls was considered quite normal and a topic for humour. Not now. So in OJ's place I wouldn't assume that trans ideology is going down an inevitable path towards universal acceptance.

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