Has gender identity ideology affected your trust in doctors?

[Mermoose]

Ever since the HSE (Irish equivalent to NHS) adopted the belief in gender identity - eg calling women 'people with cervixes'; distributing leaflets to GPs that claim 'everybody has a gender identity' - I've had a lot less trust in it.

I was referred to a specialist recently and because I hadn't heard back about an appointment I googled the clinic. The specialist came up in the search results and it turns out they use pronouns in their bio.
This makes me feel like I can't trust this person's judgement. Also, in Ireland, gender critical women are so demonised that I feel very uncomfortable having to rely on someone who may well think that I am somehow evil.

I was able to arrange to go to a different specialist. But knowing that so many health professionals here have adopted this belief system has made me dread ever having to contact any of them.

Yes, it has affected my trust in doctors. Either they're saying the right words and don't actually believe it, in which case they're lying and that's not good for trust, or they believe in gender ideology absolutely and ergo can you trust them to treat sex-based issues with the right amount of concern?

No, it hasn't.

TwistedEyeOfHorus

Yes, exactly. Not even just sex-based issues - if they're not aware of the flaws in affirmative treatment, how can you trust them with any medical question?

No. I know a few doctors.

Am quite pleased not to have been able to submit a registration form online for a new practice after all this afternoon, though I cursed fluently at the time. If I can breach their defences and obtain a hard-copy version, at least I can strike through 'gender' and write SEX in large, unfriendly letters

Some of us are, quietly working to look after the health of women and trans patients. A discussion group of other doctors I’m in has at times dismayed me because some colleagues are so full on TWAW and have happily used T*rf when talking about anyone who doesn’t agree with them but most of my colleagues aren’t happy with the demedicalisation of gender identity disorders at the same as we’re being asked to prescribe puberty blockers. Gender GP is regularly discussed and unanimously thought of as a discredited and unsafe group who we should not engage with.
I think for many doctors though, especially those in specialties that don’t come across patients involved in it just hasn't crossed their radar and dealing with Covid has unsurprisingly exacerbated that.

It has reduced my trust in the medical profession. Seeing some drs statements about women on Twitter has been alarming.

Yes. For the same reasons as others - it's either a lack of judgement, powers of reasoning or integrity.

The latter sounds harsher than I mean it as I know people fear for their livelihoods. But at day's end they are allowing their professional judgement and duty to do right by their patients to be compromised.

I am less alarmed by people who think the whole 'sex is a spectrum' thing is crazy but are afraid to speak out as I think they personally will find a way to do their job safely. Those who genuinely think that sex itself is a spectrum, and that that is demonstrated by the existence of transgender individuals, self-declared...to be honest, I wonder how they made it through their A levels, let alone medical school.

@Faffertea

Some of us are, quietly working to look after the health of women and trans patients. A discussion group of other doctors I’m in has at times dismayed me because some colleagues are so full on TWAW and have happily used T*rf when talking about anyone who doesn’t agree with them but most of my colleagues aren’t happy with the demedicalisation of gender identity disorders at the same as we’re being asked to prescribe puberty blockers. Gender GP is regularly discussed and unanimously thought of as a discredited and unsafe group who we should not engage with. I think for many doctors though, especially those in specialties that don’t come across patients involved in it just hasn't crossed their radar and dealing with Covid has unsurprisingly exacerbated that.

Faffertea that is interesting - I sometimes have to do a welfare panel alongside a psychologist, and I find it always pretty alarming when they have pronouns in their email signature or Zoom (ffs). To me it's a sign that they're fully taken in by all the genderwoo, and I don't see how someone can really be discharging their professional duty if they aren't willing to think more sceptically about some of these claims.

it makes me very concerned. If a doctor has signed up to the ideology then their objectivity is obviously compromised and if there was cause to reveal my belief in biological reality I worry that I may not be treated as well.

Unlike any other strongly held view (supporting a football team or being a religious believer for example), this seems to have such an impact on how a person will behave towards another person. I would not trust a doctor who believed twaw to have my best interests at heart and would avoid them if possible.

Yes. I prefer my medicine to be science based and the people who deliver it to be objective, rational, and politically impartial as far as delivering it is concerned.

Yes it has. I think some professions should be science and evidence based, and free from ideology. Some jobs require you to understand your legal responsibilities and have a spine.
I don't believe someone who signs up to an extreme ideology can be trusted to treat people impartially. The longer this goes on the more the evidence stacks up, which makes me question their judgement and motives even more. I don't think there can be many people around now who know enough to put their pronouns in their bio who are unaware of the issues - the cotton ceiling, or the way JK Rowling has been talked about. So they must support it even if they aren't joining in.

Dr's aren't god, they never have been. Though many people seem to think they are infallible. They are people who have been trained in human systems. Human system analysts. Some are good, some are bad, all are fallible. I am more worried about the scientific principle being undermined .

Yes. I prefer my medicine to be science based and the people who deliver it to be objective, rational, and politically impartial as far as delivering it is concerned

This.

Yes.
Massively.

And thats affected my health.

No.

But the way women are treated by the medical establishment is a big feminist issue.

If me or female family needed long term in patient support and especially in patient MH then yes. That's not about individual docs it's about instructions from up the chain.

Yes it has. But actually the comments made by a certain dr who doesn't like a certain Mrs Parker have had at least as big an impact on my overall "appreciation" of the medical profession.

I find it chilling that women can be referred to publicly in such derogatory tones, by someone who they're supposed to trust to treat them, and the professional body allows it. I can't imagine similar behaviour/comments being allowed for any other group of people in society.

And I should qualify this by saying I didn't arrive here from a starting point of "drs are like gods". I don't believe my expectations for good conduct were unreasonable.

I came here to post along similar lines to aweegc.

Wanting to put your pronouns in your signature and so on is one thing. I have various issues with it that mean I don't want to, but I could treat it in the same way as I do people having a different faith to me, and as it happens I think tolerance of differing religious beliefs is very important.

However, health care practitioners who make it clear all across social media that they think women with the wrong beliefs are the lowest of the low? Quite a different kettle of fish.

Well, as far as I know this absolute twerp is still a GP, how could anyone trust him?

@youkiddingme

Yes. I prefer my medicine to be science based and the people who deliver it to be objective, rational, and politically impartial as far as delivering it is concerned.

Absolutely agree with this.

I will not put my trust in someone who either denies science or lies to placate the feeling of others who do.

yes.

even more so with the therapy industries- the revelations from tavistock etc have appalled me.

Not really. My trust was already very thin. I have a fear of the medical profession. My childhood gp is currently in prison for sexually assualting a number of his patients and terrified me as a child and the doctor who carried out my mums female specific surgery badly was later struck off. He was known as the butcher amongst staff for years and years before it was whistleblown.
The whole cosmetic surgery industry preys on people with mental health issues to make profit and within my family there was some very poor practice meaning my brother had surgery instead of couselling.
I have of course had good medical care as well but it takes a huge amount of courage for me to go to a gp.

No

No unless a particular doctor causes me concern e.g. is on TV / SM saying sex is a spectrum.

I do however have concerns about the NHS subscribing to this ideology. I thought the Tavistock was bad, I just didn’t realise how bad until the Keira Bell court case and the lack of thought, questioning, evidence and care was astounding. I find it disturbing that there is such a lack of care for vulnerable children. It is not good enough and I want an evidence based approach for care.

I’ve just completed a vaccination approval form for my child. The choices for sex were male / female / unknown / indeterminate. Shocking - sex is a fact and impacts medical decisions.