Organ donation Scotland doesn't need to know what sex their donors are !

[334bu]

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Surely it is sometimes necessary to know what sex the organ donor is?

Organ donation in Scotland is now opt-out rather than opt-in.
They dont need to know the 'gender' of someone who isn't going to donate organs.
Can't see the fuss about that one tbh.
If I was going to opt out I'd just pick something daft.

The link is to a form entitled Register NOT to be a donor?

Agreed - it's about opting-out not opting-in.

www.organdonationscotland.org/yes

No they don't want to know if any organ comes from a person of the male or female sex! It obviously doesn't matter!

www.bmj.com/content/372/bmj.n735.full?ijkey=xn35xYzLXf2qhe6&keytype=ref

If it is opt out then I agree, why do you need to know? I assume the only issue could come if someone changes their name by deed poll.

Stupid as this is, any doctor proposing a candidate for organ donation is going to be able to verify their sex quite easily, whatever gender identity they have lived by during their life.

From 26 March, you've consented by default. The yes/no is the current position.

www.organdonation.nhs.uk/uk-laws/organ-donation-law-in-scotland/

I have no doubt that the people attending one's death or interested in harvesting one's organs will be fully informed of one's sex. This NHS consent form will not be treated as clinical information - it will, in the future, just be an indication of someone who denies consent.

If sex on your birth certificate is by self ID, how will they know a donors sex?

The same question is asked in their opt in form. They only ask for your gender identity not your sex.

If , as both forms seem to indicate, body parts are interchangeable between the sexes on all occasions and the sex question is therefore unnecessary why are they then asking about gender identity in both the opt in and opt out forms?

@334bu

The same question is asked in their opt in form. They only ask for your gender identity not your sex.

If , as both forms seem to indicate, body parts are interchangeable between the sexes on all occasions and the sex question is therefore unnecessary why are they then asking about gender identity in both the opt in and opt out forms?

Probably because people keep asking for information and expect the govt/nhs to provide it and in order to provide information they need to collect it.

If you need a kidney/ heart/lung/cornea etc surely all you want is one that is tissue compatible and healthy.

I'm pretty certain if you try to put the wrong size organ in a chest cavity it might make a difference. Aren't male hearts much larger?

So a person who has used the opt-in form and selects transgender and has an organ which is absolutely critical to saving someone's life - there's no way anyone knows what sex the donor is. Sex is critical to organ transplant. The NHS will waste hours or days trying to find out the sex of the donor - by which the recipient - quite possibly a child - will have died.
Inclusivity trumps death.
Good one.

afaik, the opt-in form will disappear within the week?

Agreed, the sex/gender is wrong as it is on all such forms. It's just unusual that this issue will age out for organ donation very soon except for those who need to opt out.

And I fully agree on the inappropriateness of the title of this paper: Impact of the donor-recipient gender matching on the graft survival from live donors

bmcnephrol.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12882-019-1670-x

www.organdonationscotland.org/update
This form won't age out .
If sex not important then according to Data Protection they should not be asking for this information.
Also what would be the administrative need for gender identity ? If not needed question shouldn't be Beng asked.

You can have my kidney after I die, but only if you don't misgender it!

TKAK

I would assume that if a person has just died, or is near death, when it comes to organ donation they’d look at the medical records for the donor. And if someone is transgender, it will be pretty obvious because I’m sure that those medical details will be recorded in medical records.

I think this is a non-issue.

Any health organisation ,which thinks sex is unimportant , should worry us all and should be challenged on it every time it occurs.

@SweetPetrichor

I would assume that if a person has just died, or is near death, when it comes to organ donation they’d look at the medical records for the donor. And if someone is transgender, it will be pretty obvious because I’m sure that those medical details will be recorded in medical records.

I think this is a non-issue.

You would think that, but its not how sex is recorded in places that have self ID.

I think you’re making a mountain out of a molehill. If a patient is being considered for organ donation they are most likely already in hospital, probably in ICU on a ventilator. The hospital has an extensive list of tests they have to do in order to assess suitably. They will also gave access to their medical records.
These tests will clearly show what sex the donor is, regardless of how they identify.

@SweetPetrichor

I would assume that if a person has just died, or is near death, when it comes to organ donation they’d look at the medical records for the donor. And if someone is transgender, it will be pretty obvious because I’m sure that those medical details will be recorded in medical records.

I think this is a non-issue.

Only if that's person has had official, recorded medical intervention. If they have self id-d their sex on their id documents, changed name by deed poll and ordered Corsa sex hormones on line through dodgy doctors like gender gp, there won't be any medical records.

Of course there will also be those who have done no medical transition at all and have entirely male bodies. Hugely obvious that the body in front of them is male but if it's recorded as female, what happens then?

Why does the sex matter?

@334bu

www.organdonationscotland.org/update This form won't age out . If sex not important then according to Data Protection they should not be asking for this information. Also what would be the administrative need for gender identity ? If not needed question shouldn't be Beng asked.

It isn’t asking for gender identity. It’s asking for gender. Yes, it should say sex, but I think it’s more relevant if it asks if you’re transgender as that may mean they check hormones etc to see if they are a suitable donor.

The wrong donation can kill the recipient.

www.carterbloodcare.org/the-significance-of-being-rh-negative-or-rh-positive/

If the form will not age out then I will be interested in the response to your enquiry to the NHSBT service and whether or not they need to involve NHS ODR as a relevant 3rd party.