Statistics speak for themselves

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I’ve been so impressed with the recent media coverage of issues women face.

many violent attacks and sexual assaults on women are there? [[https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412]]

Your link doesn't work.

I think you tried the fancy [[ brackets way and got it the wrong way round - it should be link first, description second

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412
There you go

www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-56365412

How odd some of these quotes are In total, 98.5% of the rapists were identified as men. and 1,439 people were actually convicted of rape.

I thought that the definition of rape in this country required a penis?

It's not just VAWG is it? Call it what it really is- Male Violence.

Why don't we as a society shift the focus and responsibility onto the male perpetrators? Why the mass denial that it's the males who commit these crimes? (I know, if they don't acknowledge responsibility, they don't have to change or fix things, sigh.)

Thanks for the link, it's something I can actually put in front of people. I'm dyscalculic and numbers just drop through the holes in my brain. Makes it difficult to argue a point when you can't remember a single statistic.

I agree Pineapplecakes. Male aggression and violence is the issue. Calling it VAWG takes the emphasis off men.

@OneEpisode

How odd some of these quotes are In total, 98.5% of the rapists were identified as men. and 1,439 people were actually convicted of rape.

I thought that the definition of rape in this country required a penis?

Aside from trans women, you can be convicted of any offence as an accomplice even if you do not physically commit the offence - for example a getaway driver at a bank robbery will be charged with robbery even if they physically only drove a car there and back. There have been a few grim cases of punishment rapes by gangs where women in the gang have also been convicted of rape for their involvement.

I thought that the definition of rape in this country required a penis?
In England & Wales, legally yes rape can only be committed with a penis (Sexual Offences Act 2003)

A person (A) commits an offence if—
(a)he intentionally penetrates the vagina, anus or mouth of another person (B) with his penis,
(b)B does not consent to the penetration, and
(c)A does not reasonably believe that B consents

(and ‘penis’ includes a transman’s surgically created phallus I believe, although can’t find the exact reference right now to back that up).

However women can be convicted under ‘joint enterprise’ - if a group of people are judged equally responsible for the rape, ie they directly facilitate the rapist committing rape, they are all convicted as if they themselves are rapists also.

Whether that explains 1.5% of rapists not being identifed as men - open to interpretation! What other explanation could there be 🤷🏻‍♀️

I think perhaps in Scotland, sexual assault by penetration other than with a penis is also considered rape, but IANAL and definitely not a Scottish one.

Also if they were using crime survey figures a female victim of penetrative assault by a woman might choose to classify that as a rape even though for the purposes of English criminal law it isn’t. Obviously very rare though.

My young colleague - who I take as a barometer of sensible youth, she has a lot of very woke friends she feels she can’t be honest with about her actual views - uses the term MVAW male violence against women. I think that is accurate.

@AdaFuckingShelby

I agree Pineapplecakes. Male aggression and violence is the issue. Calling it VAWG takes the emphasis off men.

Maybe violence in general and domestic and sexual violence would be taken more seriously if more men did realise it's not just a 'women's problem'.

Pineapple & Errol

The emphasis really does have to be on who is committing the violence. In any discussion the amount of hoops men jump through to deflect from them is astonishing. Not all men, women are violent too, women can be paedophiles, cat fights are more viscous, she was a nagging harridan. The list goes on.