Hate Crime Bill in Scotland and Women being able to use Mumsnet to discuss

[Wandawomble]

Anyone have an idea how this will affect the women who live in Scotland being able to participate in conversation here?

Will anyone here know that you live in Scotland if you don't mention it?

@EndoplasmicReticulum not unless MN is going to start handing over user data to the police. Can see that ending very very badly for MNHQ if they take that stance though.

As for the hate bill in Scotland, Scottish women will continue to participate in discussions on these board and voicing their opinion regardless of the SNP’s ignorance and idiocy. They can’t silence us and they sure as hell will never take away our ability to stand up and fight alongside women all over the world for our rights and freedoms.

They can’t silence us and they sure as hell will never take away our ability to stand up and fight alongside women all over the world for our rights and freedoms.

Absolutely

What cats said - #WomenWontWheesht

If you are in Scotland use a VPN and Protonmail. Look at how people in places like China access the internet and protect yourself. Be cautious about how you post and what software you use.
Its not just Mumsnet that could be forced to hand over your data, its also Google, that applies if you use Chrome web browser as well as the search engine.

I'm sure TRAs are itching to use the hate crime bill to punish women. It remains to be seen whether the police will comply.

I think it may go badly for them in the court of public opinion if they do, but obviously the accused womens' lives will be trashed in the process.

The chilling effect however, (op even asking the question is an example), will do a lot of damage in itself.

If they are gathering information off search engines and mumsnet and start presenting that in court then they may find there is no hate crime bill. The Scotland Act means legislation can only exist where it complies with ECHR. If it breaches this (freedom of expression, right to family life, right not to be discriminated in these) then it is not legislation

The whole thing is chilling.

@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons I’ve not seen that hashtag before, but I’m definitely stitching that on one of my face masks

Have you asked MNHQ about this?

Someone will be the test case for this shitty, shitty law.

Am sincerely hoping it won't be me, but, I'm quite aware that I am exactly the sort of problematic thinker that Humza would like to shut up.

@vivariumvivariumsvivaria I expect if they do pick someone to be a test case that woman would have the full support and backing of woman around the world. Perhaps it’d be the platform women needed to highlight how wrong this all is. I wouldn’t envy that woman at all though, that’s not a storm I’d ever be resilient enough to weather.

[quote CatsHairEverywhere]@Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons I’ve not seen that hashtag before, but I’m definitely stitching that on one of my face masks [/quote]
Love a bit of subversive stitching

Just travel over the border for your subversive activity, then back in time for tea

Except, what if the TWAW are very quiet so that they can argue for the same law in England and then we'll all be travelling to the Isle of Man

@EmbarrassingAdmissions

Have you asked MNHQ about this?

If I were MNHQ I would be looking for legal opinion on how it will affect them.

@highame

Just travel over the border for your subversive activity, then back in time for tea

We're going to need the Brigadoon version of Badley F - the MN community complete with a portal, it seems.

MissBarbary - the complexities of this seem remarkable.

If Maya wins her case and the fact that humans cannot change sex becomes a “belief” and therefore protected under the EA. Then presumably someone couldn’t be prosecuted under the Hate Crime Bill for something that was protected under the EA?

www.spectator.co.uk/article/feminists-should-fear-the-snp-s-hate-crime-bill/amp?__twitter_impression=true

@highame

Just travel over the border for your subversive activity, then back in time for tea

Post-COVID package tours: round-trip coach + 2/3 nights at the Premier Inn in Carlisle + loaner device with unlimited free WiFi for all the mean tweets you can send?

Not meaning to trivialise, but - surely people outside of Scotland will still talk/post/tweet/etc. about and to people in Scotland?

Move over, Gretna Green: Berwick on Tweed will be the new Casablanca.

I live in a wee town. I know several of the police here personally. Like fuck is the 'chilling effect' going to outweigh the rising fucking fury of Scottish women being told to wheesht. I'm ready, they can fucking bring it.

Ahem - I mean to say - I have no intention of allowing recent developments to curtail my civil liberties and freedom of speech.

What does wheesht mean?

Basically means ‘shhhhhh’