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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

M&S, a safe space

92 replies

GloGirl · 15/03/2021 23:44

The audacity.

M&S, a safe space
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Clymene · 16/03/2021 07:32

I thought they'd told baroness Nicholson that they'd reversed their decision on changing rooms?

persistentwoman · 16/03/2021 07:35

Agree with all the above. Take a good look at every sex offender who has their photo published in the press - and know that they only have to say the "I self identify" words and this business will welcome them into their lingerie changing rooms.
The ultimate hypocrisy.

petrocellihouse · 16/03/2021 08:11

All of the major retailers have issued something similar, saying women can take refuge inside stores, ask a colleague to walk them to their car or wait for a friend inside. We shouldn’t need to have to do this!

zzizzer · 16/03/2021 08:19

Well it's nice to know they've definitely vetted all their staff and can promise they're all more reliable than the local police. Hmm

zzizzer · 16/03/2021 08:20

They're banking of course on the majority of their staff being women (who other women can then trust).

FionaMacCool · 16/03/2021 08:25

Badly judged and badly timed.

I havent shopped there for about 2 years due to the changing rooms/ reviews on website issues.

I'm sure they're devastated by my action.

Ohdeariedear · 16/03/2021 08:29

Setting aside the changing room issue that is specific to M&S, I loathe these kind of messages. Corporate bandwagon jumping (I saw Tesco doing the same). You can just imagine themselves patting each other on the back for being so supportive to the poor scared women🙄. Another tick in the CSR box for the Annual Report.

TeckanandMultra · 16/03/2021 08:32

Ridiculous!

So poor Maureen on the tills now has to look after people as well as her other minimum-wage duties?

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/03/2021 08:33

Yy oh

As if that poor young Saturday worker would actually have any idea what to do or any chance against whoever they were being asked to help to hide from.

The staff are at as much risk , I work I retail I've had my share of aggressive/ creepy customers , the public can be dicks.

The staff aren't kept themselves and now they wanna throw them to the wolves so management look good..

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/03/2021 08:34

Aren't kept safe themselves

LemonRoses · 16/03/2021 08:40

I can’t help but think there’s not much opportunity to hover around the polyester dresses when you feel you are being followed at 3am, after a nightclub closes.

LemonRoses · 16/03/2021 08:43

That said, I did tell my children to find a woman shop worker if they felt unsafe in their younger days or were lost. That based on the grounds that a person they chose to approach, who was a woman and working in a shop was unlikely to be a murderous psychopath or sex offender.

TwoBreakingIntoOne · 16/03/2021 08:44

Fucking hypocrites. I have bought anything from them since the opened the female changing room to males and let the 🤢 reviews from men about frilly knickers stay on their website
Tesco have done similar yet they promoted Jane Fae who wants no limits to violent sex Hmm

WeRoarSometimes · 16/03/2021 08:46

Isn't this just dumping responsibility on the (anticipated) female victims of male violence?
I've been into M&S and men are allowed into the changing rooms that were the preserve for women only. At my local M&S, this is also the case for where women get measured up for bras. There's only a curtain for privacy, and whoever does the interiors for these places picks the flimsiest fabrics that aren't very opaque.
Perhaps they think it makes them look as though they are current with their thinking, but it does smack of desperation.

SnugglySnerd · 16/03/2021 08:47

It's quite meaningless as surely most people who felt unsafe who were right by a shop would probably go inside the shop anyway! I know I would, if I was being followed or something I would go into the first shop, pub, cafe etc I came to and linger there whilst calling dh or someone else to come and meet me.

raffle · 16/03/2021 08:50

We have a programme where I live called “safe places”

Those taking part (shops and businesses) have a sticker in the window using words and easy read symbols.

It was introduced for those people with Autism and Learning Disabilities by a local Day Service in conjunction with Social Services.

Staff in participating shops etc were given a bit of training.

Perhaps M&S have joined a similar scheme?

Akire · 16/03/2021 08:52

If shops are serious they need to actively change things. So if you have 2 lifts make one women only or men allowed if accompanied by a woman ie with a woman partner. Most shoppers are women but they will not to anything that changes mens Behaviours because “it’s asking to much”. Meanwhile women everywhere will change where they go, how they act, how much risk they take as a matter of course.

Babdoc · 16/03/2021 09:17

“Being stalked? Come into M and S, where we will let your stalker follow you all the way into the female changing rooms, where he can assault you in more privacy at his leisure... “

Whatwouldscullydo · 16/03/2021 09:21

You mean spend money akire

Have extra security around danger points. By said lifts or the toilets.

Give staff co workers so they aren't alone in a lingerie department at the back of the shop having to run between changing rooms/stock rooms and the till.

Have enough security so they cab actually stand in their posts as opposed to wandering around an entire 2/3 level shop

Maybe then I wouldn't have been shoved by some bloke at the check out because another customer dared to spend a second packing her food into a bag and pay.

Far easier to just send a email isn't it so manager tells assistant manager , AM tells staff, and by the time the part timers get filled in the info is 3rd/4th hand sk basically next to useless.

activitythree · 16/03/2021 09:25

Tesco did it first I think, then the rest of the corporate sheep followed.

StealthPolarBear · 16/03/2021 09:28

@LemonRoses

I can’t help but think there’s not much opportunity to hover around the polyester dresses when you feel you are being followed at 3am, after a nightclub closes.
This is exactly it :o
EBearhug · 16/03/2021 09:32

Why would anyone feeling "unsafe" decide to go into M & S rather than a police station?
At least I know where M&S is. They closed the town centre police station and apparently there's now some custody centre, but I don't actually know where, or if they accept people calling in off the street.

StealthPolarBear · 16/03/2021 09:32

Which is why Mcdonald or somewhere would be better.

Coffeeandcocopops · 16/03/2021 09:34

Tesco are saying the same.

PurpleHoodie · 16/03/2021 09:37

Clymene

I thought they'd told baroness Nicholson that they'd reversed their decision on changing rooms?

That was my understanding. Following her "Dear Archie (?)" letter.

What is the context for the screenshot?

Have M&S expanded upon its meaning?

What safeguarding training have the staff had in relation to the background of this press release?