Cressida Dick

[MarieFromStTropez]

Does anybody else think we NEED her to stay? She is the highest ranking FEMALE police officer.

I do, however, think she could at least meet with the vigil organisers and look into what went wrong.

Also she needs to make a commitment to making the streets safer for women.

I also don’t think she should loose her Job because she won’t have been directly in control on the night, someone way below her but still very senior would have been calling it. There would have been a commander in charge.

Right now she’s standing by her teams. Which I get. She’s not throwing them under the bus.

However I think the night was handled terribly. The officers look like they are proactively assaulting women. The decision to move to physical enforcement was a terrible one. There was no way for them to bodily remove 1500 women, there was simply not enough coppers and never could have been.

Once you start trying to physically remove the women it’s always going to become a nightmare scenario, always. And you can see officers kneeing women, straddling them, elbowing them, women bloodied and hurt.

The optics of a vigil for Sarah and about violence against women to then see the police demonstrate violence to them is just appalling.

Whomever was calling it should habe thought, ok, there’s 1500 we can’t remove that many and it’s going to look shit, so let’s police is sensitively, ensure social distancing where possible snd keep it peaceful. Hand out masks if required.

Not decide, right start forcibly handcuffing them and dragging them out.

There’s a lot of questions to be answered on this one in terms of the terrible decisions that were made on the night, and saying they were breaching Covid so a risk to public safety isn’t good enough. Public safety was not protected by the physical abuse these women suffered. In fact it got worse, because women were trying to protect one another so getting closer.

"I also don’t think she should loose her Job because she won’t have been directly in control on the night, someone way below her but still very senior would have been calling it."

That's not how it works at all. With rank comes responsibility, she's answerable for the whole force. In fact she's directly accountable and answerable to the public as part of her post.

The imagined "very senior yet way below" you've just made up doesn't exist. The commissioner was very much involved in "calling it" as you put it.

Whether she should "lose her job" or not is another matter.

@DavidsSchitt

"I also don’t think she should loose her Job because she won’t have been directly in control on the night, someone way below her but still very senior would have been calling it."

That's not how it works at all. With rank comes responsibility, she's answerable for the whole force. In fact she's directly accountable and answerable to the public as part of her post.

The imagined "very senior yet way below" you've just made up doesn't exist. The commissioner was very much involved in "calling it" as you put it.

Whether she should "lose her job" or not is another matter.

I’m fully aware you take responsibility at the top and she’s clearly doing that and standing by her teams.

The point is there would have been a commander in charge on thr night who called it. And who kept calling it. She would not have been on the other end of the phone making the decisions that night. It would have been a chief inspector or superintendent. Maybe even a chief superintendent, but unlikely, and still five or six levels below her.

It would have been a gold silver bronze command structure in place. And she would not have been gold. Or anywhere close to it. It’s batshit to assume otherwise.

And I personally don’t believe, because someone who works for you, several levels below, makes a shit decision, means you get fired for it. We can agree to disagree on that.

@burritofan

She is the highest ranking FEMALE police officer. You can be the highest-ranking female anything and still not be good for women. (Cf. Thatcher, May.) Simply being female is crap, “girl boss” feminism that does a disservice to women.

Agree.

Under the circumstances and with this particular suspect she should have been Gold.
Anything less is, imo, dereliction of duty of at the very least shirking responsibility.
I think I'd feel the same if it was a male.

"And she would not have been gold. Or anywhere close to it. It’s batshit to assume otherwise."

No, she wasn't, I know that for a fact. I Nobody is "assuming otherwise", however, one of the main aspects of the post of commissioner is accountability for the force. She is personally answerable for their actions. It isn't "batshit" to expect her to do her job

"And I personally don’t believe, because someone who works for you, several levels below, makes a shit decision, means you get fired for it. We can agree to disagree on that."

Sorry what? Agree to disagree? I've never said she should lose her job. I haven't given my personal stance on that, and for what it's worth, on this occasion I don't think she should resign.

But all of this "standing by her teams" drivel and not "throwing them under the bus" talk is simply nonsense and completely disregards everything that the post of commissioner entails.

I wondered why the News coverage suddenly stopped interviewing sisters uncut

Probably because, if they bother to mention Sarah Everard at all, they keep saying/posting things which would prejudice the case against the man charged with her killing.

Sisters Uncut (who created 'Reclaim These Streets' - note the slightly different name) - have an anti carceral agenda, and a history of supporting TW who have assaulted women. Even those who have been imprisoned for serious sexual offenses.

And for what it's worth, Gold Commander for this was Matt Twist, Deputy Assistant Commissioner.

I'm surprised you didn't know that @Bluntness100 before coming here to throw around assumptions about who would be for this operation and calling posters "batshit" for "assumptions" they never made!

"Sisters Uncut (who created 'Reclaim These Streets' - note the slightly different name) - have an anti carceral agenda, and a history of supporting TW who have assaulted women. Even those who have been imprisoned for serious sexual offenses."

Yes, they're vile. This issue isn't helping at all. They had no business whatsoever hijacking this vigil.

Did Sisters Uncut (or even members of) create Reclaim These Streets? I hadn’t heard that until now.

"Did Sisters Uncut (or even members of) create Reclaim These Streets? I hadn’t heard that until now."

I don't know that either, neither group had any business doing what they did at the weekend.

@Bluntness100

I also don’t think she should loose her Job because she won’t have been directly in control on the night, someone way below her but still very senior would have been calling it. There would have been a commander in charge.

Right now she’s standing by her teams. Which I get. She’s not throwing them under the bus.

However I think the night was handled terribly. The officers look like they are proactively assaulting women. The decision to move to physical enforcement was a terrible one. There was no way for them to bodily remove 1500 women, there was simply not enough coppers and never could have been.

Once you start trying to physically remove the women it’s always going to become a nightmare scenario, always. And you can see officers kneeing women, straddling them, elbowing them, women bloodied and hurt.

The optics of a vigil for Sarah and about violence against women to then see the police demonstrate violence to them is just appalling.

Whomever was calling it should habe thought, ok, there’s 1500 we can’t remove that many and it’s going to look shit, so let’s police is sensitively, ensure social distancing where possible snd keep it peaceful. Hand out masks if required.

Not decide, right start forcibly handcuffing them and dragging them out.

There’s a lot of questions to be answered on this one in terms of the terrible decisions that were made on the night, and saying they were breaching Covid so a risk to public safety isn’t good enough. Public safety was not protected by the physical abuse these women suffered. In fact it got worse, because women were trying to protect one another so getting closer.

I’m not sure you have any facts to substantiate a lot of this. You are describing the woman you want her to be. The woman a lot of us want her to be. But not the woman she is.

It was her leadership team that directly intervened to ban the vigil. And if she wasn’t in control of gold command on Saturday night then she is incompetent.

The vigil was cancelled by the organisers and they asked people not to come. People out to cause trouble and agitate with their horrible chanting took over and invited others. The original organiser said Cressida Dick should not resign.

A cop is a cop is a cop.

No friend to women. No friend to the working class.

Neither are Sisters Uncut; apologists for male attackers of women and children . And as for supporting working class😂

In my opinion she should have gone after being responsible for the Met Police unit that murdered John Charles de Menezes in cold blood.
Instead, she was promoted.
This is not about blaming a woman leader, this is about holding a shit leader to account.

Cressida Dick should go because;

Operation Midland, which caused unimaginable trauma to many completely innocent people, by giving credence to fantastical allegations of a high level satanic paedophile ring, even following their expert consultant Richard Hoskins’s strongly expressed concern that the allegations were false.

Incredibly not only have none of the police officers involved faced consequences for their actions but the official Met Police’s website has continued to promote conspiracy theories about satanic ritual abuse for many years as can be seen via the below archived link, where the text reads;

Abuse linked to faith or belief is where concerns for a child’s welfare have been identified, and could be caused by, a belief in witchcraft, spirit or demonic possession, ritual or satanic abuse features; or when practices linked to faith or belief are harmful to a child.

Any abuse that takes place against those who are branded (or labelled) either as a witch or as having been possessed by an evil spirit is unacceptable. Significant harm (including murder) can occur because of concerted efforts to ‘excise’ or ‘deliver’ evil from a child (or vulnerable adult).

From our own experience and in consultation with communities, we know this kind of abuse is under-reported.

Spotting the signs that this abuse exists can prevent escalation from ‘subtle’ harms that may often go unnoticed by many, to ‘extreme’ situations where there is loss of life. Witchcraft beliefs are used to blame a person (rather than circumstances) for misfortune that happens in life.

It can take place for some of the following reasons

and then, unbelievably in the “spotting the signs list appears the following statement:

satanic abuse which is carried out in the name of ‘satan’ and may have links to cults

source;
<a class="break-all" href="https://web.archive.org/web/20210115055118/www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/faith-based-abuse/" rel="nofollow" target="_blank">web.archive.org/web/20210115055118/www.met.police.uk/advice/advice-and-information/caa/child-abuse/faith-based-abuse/

This statement has been used by dangerous conspiracy theorists to justify all manner of stalking and other criminality and was even used on the website of the notorious anti-abortion campaigner Wilfred Wong to justify his “activism”, activism that has ultimately lead him to be in custody facing charges relating to the alleged kidnapping of an 8 year old child at knifepoint, an act Wong has claimed was not really kidnapping but rescuing a child from satanists.

Not only that but the Met Police’s website claims about satanists have been used to fuel Qanon conspiracy theories and have lead to police officers, including Met Police officers being accused of being paedophile protectors and satanists.

Met police being accused of being “paedo protectors” in the below videos created by conspiracy theorists

The truly horrible thing is that the Met have given credence to batshit conspiracy theories about SRA while being uninterested in reports about real child abusing cults.

One of the appalling things about the SRA bandaging of conspiracy theorists and grifters is that in among the manipulated and brainwashed vulnerable people are real paedophiles, cultists and criminals. The SRA claims provide cover for real atrocities

Cressida Dick should go because this long running insanity is putting the lives and reputations of innocent people at risk, providing cover for real cults and child abusers and putting the lives of hard working police officers in the Met and in other police services all over the county at risk.

Inexcusable

The short list of candidates for Dick's current position included a high ranking female officer whose expertise was in online crimes and fraud.

I know next to nothing about her but we really do need senior cops who have expertise in these areas IMO

Dick was not the only candidate on the short list

oops

last sentence should have read "Dick was not the only female candidate on the shortlist"

Personally I want the person best qualified for the job and least subject to capture to be in post. Much more inportant than the sex , although it would be great for a female officer to be in post if she possesses the correct qualities.

@HippopotumArse

In my opinion she should have gone after being responsible for the Met Police unit that murdered John Charles de Menezes in cold blood. Instead, she was promoted. This is not about blaming a woman leader, this is about holding a shit leader to account.

Yes this. She shouldn't be in this job due the death of John Charles de Menezes and the smear campaign that followed his murder.

You can be the highest-ranking female anything and still not be good for women. (Cf. Thatcher, May.) Simply being female is crap, “girl boss” feminism that does a disservice to women

^This.

It was bad policing. The the vast majority were there peacefully, the numbers were smaller than earlier in the day and the next day. Problems arose when the police started trampling over tea lights and flowers to surround the bandstand having told (largely male) photographers to use it.

If Dick can't be held responsible for the layers below and the layers below were only following orders (which I've also seen quoted) and Dick has also been saying individuals were making decisions on the ground then the overall picture is one of mismanagement and poor planning and communication by the police leadership.

The anti mask/anti lockdown lunatic fringe (a bunch of white men) were left in peace.

I still can't believe Cressida Dick was promoted to Commissioner after ordering the cold blooded murder of Jean Charles de Menezes. By contrast the policing of the vigil was just incompetent. Not helped by Sisters Uncut staging their bit of agitprop.

I'll be interested to hear the results of the "lessons learned" inquiry (if it ever produces any). I don't know if Cressida Dick is incompetent or just unsuccessful, but there is a lot of weirdness going on. Police complaining about how unfair life is on twitter and facebook. Really? Shades of Gilbert and Sullivan. Complete inability to pass a message from one side of a desk to another (in my experience). And Sue Fish, the former Nottingham Chief Constable, basically throwing her friend "Cress" under a bus on Radio 4 PM tonight. There seems to be a lot of bile going round, and "Cress" seems up for a fight.

Good. There seems to be a general collapse of cohesion, coherence and a clear sense of mission in so many public organisations these days.

She was commander of the operation that killed Jean Charles de Menezes. She got a bloody promotion after that.

Oh other people have said it. I should read before